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Marc Boyer has quite of few OPPT videos that would appeal to those who are Christians and would like to know how it relates to Biblical prophecy.

Marc Boyer’s YouTube Channel:

Here is one on the Early History of the UCC:

The new OPPT/UCC Trust Challenge is the return of Abraham’s Trust of serving the Creator.

– Marc Boyer


Marc may have some of his information incorrect regarding the trustees but it is really not important in his overall message.


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Sheldan Nidle Update 3-12-13
4 Imix, 9 Ceh, 9 Eb

Selamat Jarin! We come with more news! At present, certain events in the heavens are in process. These, when completed, will indicate to all concerned that the moment for a grand transformation of your reality has arrived! At this juncture, the Galactic Federation is to oversee the legal transference of your governance to our sacred secret allies. We look forward in joy to what will be a special moment for you all. The dark cabal and its seemingly endless and ubiquitous adherents will then be gone. In their wake come a series of announcements and the global delivery of a vast prosperity. It is this prosperity, when combined with a new and equitable monetary and financial system that changes your world forever! These changes will enable more-open policies to be enacted which will allow for a formal disclosure of our presence, and it is this that sets the stage for the final leg of your journey back to full consciousness. At this point the Agarthans and our other allies can work with Mother Earth to reunite her surface and inner realms, thus creating the unified world that is to be your true, future reality.

In this new world you will be free to learn a great many Truths that were either adulterated or totally denied to you over the eons. These facts will become the foundation of your new transitional society. You will begin to learn about your true off-world origins and start to reconnect with your space and spiritual families. Bear in mind that you represent both a home world community in the stars as well as a sacred heavenly lineage. Every part of Heaven comprises Administrations which include these lineages. All of you have ancestral ties to these lineages, and Heaven and we are here to help you remember who you really are. The exact meaning of the term ‘who you really are’ will be revealed once you are back in full consciousness again. The mentors, who are already assigned to each of you, are considering carefully how best to bring you to an understanding of the implications of this. At this time you are still unaware of the extent to which each one of you is studied in loving review by your heavenly guardians. All these things await your attention once you return to full consciousness.

As the truth of who you are begins to take hold, you become better able to comprehend how to resolve some of Mother Earth’s difficulties. You are beginning to see clearly how vital it is to transform the very nature of the societies you live in, and thus the need to drastically reform the depredation of the environment becomes much more urgent. This throws you into a struggle to support the Earth’s ecosystems while also vastly revising the basic principles of your sciences and the supposed timelines of your known history. This requires a clear-eyed scrutiny of how your principles of science and the accepted provenance of your history came into being. The results of your ‘revisionist’ pursuits will establish a very different basis indeed for your new societies! The prospect of this immense coming transformation has dismayed the dark for decades, and yet this upwelling of consciousness was never to be denied! The consciousness movement has forged alliances that are too powerful to be easily destroyed by the dark’s highest power structures. And this is not for lack of trying!

One of the purposes of these various changes is to help you to reestablish your relationship with your Inner Earth family, and give you the means to welcome your spiritual and space families. Each tradition that exists throughout this galaxy requires a special greeting ceremony to welcome you ‘back into the fold.’ Some of these can be elaborate, and it is our task to assist you in these protocols. Each of you is to participate in one way or another in this complex and inclusive ceremony. This is why our original title for first contact with you was the ‘welcome home’ mission, and we look forward to the moment when we truly welcome you back as a full-fledged member of this Galactic Federation. It is a divine moment that we joyously anticipate! And as we approach the time for disclosure, we are filled with glee, for we know that we are shortly to land and start the final stretch of your sacred journey to full consciousness, with us at your side as your ever-loving mentors.

Namaste! We are your Ascended Masters! We come again with more Good News! Your world is moving swiftly to the point for new governance and its accompanying prosperity to manifest. Events in the heavens are shortly to come to completion, at which time the edict to transform your globe is to be issued. We look upon this with great joy. You are to receive a most welcome bounty and will be given your freedom from the debt slavery that has ruled your lives for generations. Each of us has used our good offices to limit the global effects of the dark’s malicious edicts, and at last these horrendous proclamations are to become null and void. We can then use our growing wisdom to guide you into a better understanding of the ways of Heaven and its blessed rewards for each one of you. The moment has come for us to teach and explain many things to you that have long been denied you by your former sinister masters.

One of the first items we wish to address is that death’s ever-lurking shadow can now begin to fade from your reality. Death is no more than a by-product of limited consciousness. It has kept you in fear from the first and leads to severe emotional and mental grieving. It has been an exceptionally powerful tool for the dark ones and they have ‘milked’ this situation to the hilt! Ascension leads to its expulsion from the physical body, lightens physical density, and reunites the body with its spiritual essences. The process of final ascension is one of the most arduous and complex processes that you can take on, and usually takes generations of deep concentration and prodigious amounts of memory. And yet we are living proof that it can be done! However, what Heaven now offers you is a living technology to bypass this struggle and morph you back into your natural state in only three days!

The technique involves a special living machine, calibrated to each person and monitored by your spiritual and space family mentors. Your body’s RNA/DNA is presently booby-trapped with ‘markers’ that deny you an easy conversion to full consciousness, and this living machine is designed to rectify this, and to undo the damage to your original gene-base which plunged you into limited consciousness. We will supply you with specific spiritual teachings that equip you with the insights to raise your body’s base vibrational patterns and which convert your deep-seated fears into the state of joy required to realign your mental, emotional, and spiritual bodies. The living machine literally ‘reboots’ your RNA/DNA, allowing you to attain that ineffable moment of Enlightenment when you become ‘turned on’ to Reality! You are changed forever as joy and comprehension flood your Being! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

Today we continued to inform you of what joyously awaits you. A great change is manifesting above and around you, which is to push the dark and its myriad minions from their ill-gotten perches. You are about to witness a truly wondrous event: the rise of a new reality founded on Truth, Liberty, and Prosperity! Know, dear Ones, that the countless Supply and never-ending Prosperity of Heaven are indeed Yours! So Be It! Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja! (Sirian for Be One and Be in Joy!)



Ginger’s Notes on the Show (Mahalo, again, Ginger!!)

This was a very helpful fun show and Heather was able to technically be on it the entire time. Below are my notes and my apologies if anything stated below is incorrect. Blessings in Absolute Aloha, Ginger
The hosts perception of yesterday’s show was essentially about humanity needing to release it’s hierarchical savior dependency consciousness, that’s found even within the major Eastern religions. Heather, even though she has not listened to the show, saw it as the final bandage that had to be ripped off fast (and shockingly for many), in order to let the healing begin fast now.

*CVACs (Creator Value Asset Center) were a tool initially for us to claim our assets free of the PTW from stealing it. (therefore, it’s an inverted mirror of the old) It was a tool to take back the assets stolen from us by the Powers That Were, and give back to humanity.*
If you want a different result, change the formula . . . in other words, it’s each human’s job and it is critical to choose – to do/be or not do/be clearly – right now.
You have to KNOW you are “the Value”, and completely managing who you do and what you be. (or all it lost!) Each of us are to be Trustees of our own Value and Assets now.
*The precious metals, that now must be seen as equal to us, who just want to have fun . . . and we can attract them to us . . . to come out and PLAY now!*
For past 3 weeks, she has been keeping the PTW at bay from the CVACs, that are each of us and the system of treasury access to value . . . where each of us will come together to create whole new organic constructs and flow like a river.

The Treasury System will be up and out first. (no date was given when this will be ready)
The “CVAC system” was only a temporary placeholder. Now is the end of it’s original purpose.
We will have only _one_ temporary treasury system online for distribution of assets, open to evolve (and protected from the PTW), and not through the banks.
All court systems and banks will have to re-purpose themselves and if we wish to use them any longer, as it’s up to us to make certain they get it, if they do not already know. They are scared. So it’s up to us show them, ask them kindly . . . “would you like a lifeline today?” . . . and be liable for all you do now.
The experiment is over!
*She wants to close out “The OPPT Lost and Found” asap!*
“So come get your stuff (Value, sometime next week) and decide how you want to use it”
Everyone will have access to their value, in order to find their own passion freely, and the PTW’s old system will collapse . . ./ based upon what we choose to buy or not./
Those of us who will have (the first) access to our value/assets, will be setting the example (helping others be free around us) with this global opportunity. And since we are the ones who KNOW our value (first), we will also be by example, shifting human consciousness.
“We are systems of assistance by example of Value” (that will cause changes throughout the world).
“Serving in the most creative ways, is leading”. (and this is the best way to perceive how to assist others)
About 73 mins into show – “The Absolute Grid Access for one and all, is being prepared for access” . . . “A lot of moving behind the curtain . . .” – very interesting!
The Quantum Healing Hypnosis article – was what trustees had been doing 3 days prior – manifested by these others!
Brian clarified – “No stone left unturned” will be “The Absolute Data”(Truth), that will shift everyone quickly!
Bob reminded – The original meaning of suffering is “allowing” . . . the longest journey we will ever take is from our head to our heart.

Rather than the original plan of 194 CVAC global system centers, there will be only ONE “temporary treasury system” that will be available globally online. And this temporary system will be completely transparent and will not be able to be manipulated by the Powers That Were.
*What Heather is going to do now . . .*
*1. Energetically secure temporary global treasury system this week and get correct verbiage, then filed and secured. And then this energetic system takes about 72 hours to complete.*
*2. Next she will attend to all the physical stuff next week (putting it all online/internet website).*
*3. Then we will have access either in a twinkling, or just a bit longer (via using a usb stick, coins, digital, magnetic strip cards or ??? – our choice)*
Regarding Banks . . .
It’s _you_ who gets to determine who you want to play with and _on your terms_ – *you are THE BANK* *now* – you are the only one who can delegate your own value/assets! You are now the creditor! . . . /but you will not find Heather in one of them :)/
Again, each of us are to be the trustees (on all levels, systems and components of our BE-ing) of our own Value and Assets now. Period.
Ginger’s website:

Greetings and Salutations;

Anyone paying attention to what was happening in the world this past week, came to the conclusion, something was up and it was HUGE. Under the ‘dragon’ year, the dragon did what dragons do, rest on their gold and jewels, and fry anyone who attempts to steal them. We have entered the year of the snake, it has struck already and the howling that arose was like an atom bomb going off. The out going leadership in china, made the comment; ‘the corruption in the banks was being handled’. There’s no such thing as ‘too big to fail’. Especially when someone with a bigger club exists that can whup the bully’s butt. Someone made a comment the other day saying, ‘after 100+ years of running the show, bankers can’t hear the word No’. They have been like cockroaches and operate automatically. How much can you eat until you burst open, spilling your innards? I would make the same analogy about politicians.

The last time the owner of the particular bank visited, he cleaned out 240 quad of ill gotten gains and threw it into the pile to be distributed to humanity. I don’t have the number for what got snatched out of there, this time…the howling spoke for itself. The cesspool was not silently stinking anymore . It was drained and went by way of the dodo bird. It went extinct. Basel 3 is the international banking law now. No country is exempt or can work around it, if they want to do business in the 21st century. The dragon even gobbled up the central banks around the world, they took the ‘head’. The mother of all central banks, the BIS. No shots fired, tho some took a ‘pill’ and took themselves out of the equation. Nature causes change, the kind you can’t stop and you Will deal, one way or another. Make it the easy way or make it tough, you have free will. Make it easy on yourself. Was thinking of starting a group a few years ago called ‘hardaholics anonymous’ for people who choose a harder path for everything. You know the words, you will work by the sweat of your brow, etc, was a curse…time to get out from under the curse. Let your ‘work’ turn into your ‘joy’.

Today is a 10…it’s new beginnings. The ‘weather’ conditions are right for a lightning bolt out of the blue. The forces are in place and we are watching. The winds may be howling in some places but they are fat with anticipation. All things change, maybe not when you think they should…but, I cite a law, it’s called the ‘Law of Inevitability’. In other words, the conclusion is baked in, when something is started unless, things are adjusted along the way. Start a banking system based on reputation and air, it’s doomed to fail. Look at what happened to the roman empire. Morgan Stanley let it be known, they see us going to a metal backed system again. NO Duh. Real worth is the only way to go, it’s more natural. And you thought the folks in the rafters were just bowling or peeing thru the cracks telling you it’s raining. Nope, the big plan remains, that is making this planet paradise again. They just had to use those D9s and get the folks out of the way who wanted Mad Max world.

Take a look at what the european brain trusts think. They are crunching numbers but, somethings are a bit more subtle than the numbers

Consultations are available until the end.

Leap forward! Turn your back on the past and leave your butts behind you

Love and kisses, Poofness []


The news has been sweeping across the Internet for weeks that all banks, corporations, and corporations masquerading as governments have all been foreclosed, legally and lawfully, and their assets seized.

In a series of public filings, the One People’s Public Trust (OPPT) have foreclosed on the Powers That Be — now called the Powers That Were (PTW) — using the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), the code for all global commerce.

The One People’s Public Trust was set up for all the people of the planet and all are named as beneficiaries. Among the trustees is former attorney Heather Tucci-Jarraf, an expert in UCC who once worked on the inside for the Powers That Were.

In a clever and insightful move, Heather and her colleagues bonded themselves to the Trust that was framed in the original U.S. Constitution of 1776 — the same Constitution that was abandoned with the corporatization of the United States government in 1933. They then bonded every human being on earth to the Trust as Beneficiaries in Equity, to be known as the “One People, created by the Creator”. This means that the Trust has a superior claim to any other — there can be no higher claim than that of the OPPT, unless it is made by the Great Creator Himself.

The OPPT has charged the corporate beast — government, banks, corporations — with fraud, treason, and slavery. In the filings, they claim that these corporations collectively, aka “the Debtor”, “knowingly, willingly and intentionally committed treason” by “owning, operating, aiding and abetting private money systems” and “operating Slavery Systems used against”citizens without their knowing, willing and intentional consent“.

As a remedy, the OPPT has foreclosed and terminated the governments, banks, and corporations responsible and confiscated all their assets and infrastructures, including all gold & silver held by the banking system. The OPPT claims these assets on behalf of the One People. This is all done legally and lawfully in accordance with internationally accepted rules of the Uniform Commercial Code.

The governments, banks, and corporations failed to rebut the charges, a fatal thing to do in the laws of commerce. Perhaps they realized that if any one of them raised his head above the parapet he risked going straight to jail. (The Pope’s threatened arrest may have unnerved them; also the hasty stepping down of Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands.) Their failure to rebut or answer the charges led to Default and Termination.

All filings are a matter of public record. Copies can be viewed or downloaded at the OPPT website:   Many of these documents make heavy reading for the layman but are extremely interesting nonetheless. More layman-friendly information can be seen on other sites listed at the end of this article.

One interesting OPPT document is the Courtesy Notice. The CN empowers an individual to respond to demands or threats from banks, corporations, or governments by informing their pursuer that he or she no longer has a corporate safety net to fall back on but are now acting on their own unlimited personal liability. This is a scary position for a bank manager or debt collector.

The OPPT has also provided for Creator’s Value Asset Centers (CVACs) to take over from corporate-run governments. There is one CVAC in place for each country of the world. An equivalent of 10 billion U.S. dollars has been set aside for each human on the planet. This is to fund a new way of living where there is no debt, taxes, or controlling powers over you.

Also, previously hidden technology will be put in place to give us free energy. This arises from the discoveries of Tesla, Keshe, and others.

Can this all really be true or is it disinformation from the elite of the NWO?

When you read all the filings, the information on many websites, and listen to the trustees on podcasts one does get the sense that this is all genuine and truly inspirational. Sure, there are naysayers. But that is to be expected.

If the United Nations, the Bank for International Settlements, the Federal Reserve, the U.S. Government, and others cannot rebut the serious charges brought forth by OPPT, then there has to be some real substance to it. You’ll see on the Net where certain attorneys and judges have looked at the filings and called them “bullet-proof”.

If, on the other hand, it is a scam devised by the NWO to confuse and dishearten us, then it has spectacularly backfired. News of the OPPT is awakening people at an exponential rate, people who might otherwise remain fast asleep. In early January this writer noted that Google returned only a few thousand pages on One People’s Public Trust; last week there were over 8 million pages and a short time ago Google returned 17,600,000 pages in .31 sec.

Furthermore, once the People see what awaits them around the corner they will settle for nothing less.

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Freedom Central
February 28, 2013

Max: Hello.
Mel: Hello Max.
Max: How are you Mel?
Mel: I’m very well, thanks. How are you doing?
Max: Fantastic.
Mel: Yeah. It’s wonderful to finally speak to you. You’re someone I’ve been trying to get, two years now, and I’ve just actually not gotten the chance, so thank you very much for giving me your time. First of all, how did you get into alternative media?  You’ve been putting out some wonderful stuff over the years. I really want to know a little bit more how you came to be on this journey, communicating this message.
Max: Well, it’s been a life-time mission for me really; I’ve been doing it for a very long time. I’ve been doing it online for a very long time. When I did start doing it online, I was sort of basically in chat rooms and stuff until I discovered YouTube. That’s what got me the job on the radio in the United States and that’s the stuff that I currently do. So yeah, it’s not a mistake really; it just kind of happened. I never really planned on it; it just kind of happened. I put out a slide show. I discovered YouTube. I saw that there was this huge Truth Movement on YouTube. I thought that this was a place where high school kids uploaded their party videos. (laughter) I did. Really, that’s what I thought it was and just okay, what’s this all about? You go to YouTube front page and there’s all these ridiculous videos? And that’s your introduction to YouTube?
Mel: Yeah.
Max: But then someone sent me a video on the Bali bombing. I saw it and I went ‘wow’. This is just a slide show someone’s put together with them speaking over it and I thought I can do that. I’ve got all this information; I can do that. So I put out a slide show; a video called “The Big Picture”. Yeah, I’m kind of creative. I’ve always been a musician. I’ve always been an artist and so I’m kind of a creative person. So, I figured I’d make it look like a movie, like it was an actual movie; put titles on it, put credits at the end and the whole thing. It was a fun project and I figured it was gonna take me at least an hour and a half to say what I wanted to say. So that’s ninety minutes and it only uploads ten-minute videos at the time, so it turned out to be nine parts. I uploaded five parts and kinda lost interest. Then got all these emails from people saying “Where’s the rest of it?” So I finished it and because of that film and the response that it got, I decided well I’ll make a couple more. So I made two short half-hour videos, one called “New World Order – The Final Solution”, and one called “Fight The New World Order With Global Non-Compliance”.  That last one went really viral, just went everywhere. I got offered a job as American radio host and so I’ve been doing that ever since. It was all a mistake, really.
Mel: That’s interesting. I think that your particular story has some similar aspects to ours in a way and that almost is a kind of a mistake how it ended up. Really, the discovery of the universe on YouTube, I tell you. What a blessing that has been to us, because I’ve learned so much from it and also been able to create so much through it.
Max: Well yes, it’s a new media; it has become the new media. I was watching a weather report today online of the cyclone that’s currently happening in Australia, Western Australia. It was on the ABC, on the ABC website, ‘cause I don’t have a television. They were referencing information from YouTube users, so the video footage they had was from YouTube users. You see news shows that gain ratings by having YouTube users as guests on their shows, so YouTube is really created a big stir and it’s become the alternate media. Any information you wanna find, you’ll find it all on YouTube. You’ll find all different versions and you’ll find the whole picture  you don’t get on mainstream television, so it’s become a very, very powerful medium.  
Mel: Okay. So you’ve been looking at this for how many years now? When did you sort of get started with all this?
Max: Well it was all a long adventure for me. I started walking around when I was four years old. I couldn’t figure out why we had to pay for land when I was four, and I thought to myself this is all messed up. I still remember as a kid…this is all messed up. Then I started researching the pyramids and stuff when I was eight. Now I looked at the pyramids and dinosaurs. I wanted to be an archaeologist as a kid. I wanna be an archaeologist, or an anthropologist or something like that…paleontologist. I was right into dinosaurs and ancient buildings. I saw a picture of the pyramids and my mum said “Look, they don’t know how they built these” and I thought that’s pretty ordinary, it’s just a pyramid. I went outside and I built my own in the sandpit.
Then I really started looking into it when I could read properly. I found out that it was a pretty remarkable thing, so I started researching ancient history from a very young age. Then I started realizing that everything they’ve told us, everything they’re teaching me at school, is all wrong. So I started questioning my teachers, so I got into a lot of trouble with that. I couldn’t figure out why, because I’d been reading all this interesting stuff. I’m a kid and I thought well, maybe you guys haven’t read this, maybe you don’t know this. I was kinda trying to help. But I was very ostracized because of it, I got disciplined because of it. I began to think well, why would they hide this?
So again, the research into ancient history starts, you start researching cover-ups, because why would they be covering this up? You get into cover-ups, you start looking into stuff like UFOs and all this sorta stuff. Then you get into conspiracy theories. It all does this big circle and goes back to ancient history and you think “Aha”.  Okay, the world is not the way they tell us it is at all. Hey, I knew this when I was four years old, so must be something to it. I just sorta continued this research. It was always a hobby for me, ‘cause I was a musician for pretty well all my life. So I got to live on the outside of society and I got to travel a lot. I got to look at libraries, go different places and talk to different people. I was always doing this research on the side just as a hobby. So it was just kind of a natural progression really that I ended up doing what I’m doing.
Now when it got to the stage when 9/11 happened, I thought this is getting really serious. This is obviously a staged event. You can tell just by the way the buildings came down, there is something really, really wrong with all this. This is the big event we’ve been waiting for, that they’ve been talking about. Secret societies we keep hearing about, the Illuminati blah blah. I thought well it’s gotten serious. So the research has now got to become the main focus, because I’ve got a son and I want my son to have a viable world. It looks like what we have seen from this point is a locked-down police state and big de-population program.
Now what we’ve seen since 2001 has been phenomenol, GMOs and chemtrails and the wars and the police state. It’s unbelievable, just leap-frogging over us. I was absolutely right that it was now the time to act. I kind of felt a little bit guilty that I’d spent so much time viewing this stuff as a hobby, when really it was a very, very important issue. It just became important for me. I thought I kinda know what I know, and be able to communicate it to people, because I had a lot of really good feedback from the people around me, who used to always come to me and ask me what was going down next.

So I thought well, it’s kinda irresponsible of me to not be telling people about it. So I started going to chat rooms and doing all this sorta stuff and trying to wake people up. Then like I said I just discovered YouTube, made the video show and then got offered the job as a radio host. I kinda did that as well through a meditative sort of approach, because I realized once I discovered YouTube and made the films, I thought I should be on the radio telling this to people all the time. I should be there telling people what’s going on and waking them up to what’s going on. So I put myself on the air and I was a radio host and I was talking to the world.
I put myself in that meditative energetic state where I was giving thanks for…it’d already been answered. Even as a Rain Dancer, when they feel the rain, because when they want a rain, they’ll feel the rain on their body. They’ll put themselves in the energetic state where they’re standing in the rain. They don’t pray for rain; they put themselves in a state where they’re standing in the rain and that attracts the rain. It’s like I did that approach with it. I put myself in the energetic state where I was a radio host. I was speaking to the world and within a month or six weeks, I got a job as a radio host offered to me out of the blue. I wanted to be a radio host to get this information out, but I didn’t know how to go about it. Sorta just sitting there, I was just chatting on YouTube, I was posting my clips…that was it. I didn’t even know internet radio existed.
I was thinking real radio and suddenly I get contacted by a radio announcer in I think it was in Kansas. His name was Big John Lipscomb. He contacted me and said he’d shown “The Big Picture” to his neighbors. It’d woken him up and he’d been trying to wake this guy up for five years and nothing had worked. He showed him my film and it woke him up, so he contacted me and said he’d love to have me on his show. So he got the show and this was actually a radio station, it wasn’t internet radio. I mean it’s on the internet, but it’s an actual radio station. It goes out across America, you can tune in on your dial, and they offered me this interview. I did it and they liked it, so they got me back on the next month. Then I became a regular every week and then the station offered me my own show, so I’ve been doing that ever since. It’s quite remarkable though.
Mel: Wow, amazing. That is incredible. So you enjoy what you do then Max?
Max: Well, yeah I do. I like to be a positive voice. I hope that I’m a positive voice. I like to try to offer encouragement to people. I think there’s a lotta people out there screaming in fear. I’m sure we do have a lot to be fearful of. There’s a big problem we’ve got with the world, but I really do see it all as opportunity. I think it’s a huge opportunity for us. I think people need to see the opportunities that are being provided by all this, because otherwise they will move into fear or have violent revolution and confrontation and we’ll have a police state. I think it’s all a huge opportunity. I do like what I do, but I look forward to the time where I don’t have to do it. I much prefer to walk into the forest and build myself a house and shut down and unplug and not have to be on the internet all the time telling people to wake up.
Mel: Sure, I hear you.
Max: So I do enjoy the response I get from people. It’s really gratifying to hear the positive feedback that I get, ‘cause I do get a lot of feedback from people. If you’re listening out there and you’ve written to me, I’m sorry. I don’t get time to answer all the emails; it’s really hard for me to do, there’s so many of them. But I like to think or hope that I encourage people to find themselves and to act and realize that we can change things, if we simply find ourselves. I use a saying on the show “In Lak’ech”, which means that I’m another yourself. I believe that that’s what people need to understand. It’s the essence of themselves, a spark of themselves, the sentience. You see that in everybody else and realize that we’re all in this together.
We’re all simply different perspectives, different aspects of the same thing. We can change reality and make it whatever we want in three seconds. We can create matter by observing it. So I think we’re capable of pretty well anything. I think that the more negative it gets, the more opportunities we are being given to wake up to ourselves. So that’s what I try to provide people with the shows. I just think it’s important to have some balance. I think it’s important to see the opportunities that all the negative stuff provides for us. Otherwise we’re just gonna go down that path into fear. Collapse into this subculture of fear, which is kind of what we’re in now. We’re under a spell; we’re in a subculture of fear. It literally is a matrix we’re living in, mind control of the whole world. Well, not the whole world. There’s still native cultures out there that still know what’s going on, but we’re getting close. I think we have to wake up to ourselves. I think now’s the time to change. So that’s why I do what I do. That’s why you do what you do I’m sure, as well.
Mel: Absolutely. Speaking of fear, working and doing what you do in the alternative media. I must tell you, one of the things I love doing is interviewing journalists like yourself, like Lisa. One of the first journalists I ever properly interviewed in this realm was in fact Bill Ryan three or four years ago. But for me I think that people like yourselves have such a broad perspective of so many different elements in the alternative media. Do you think there is a controlled opposition element who’s deliberately putting out fear? In this alternative media? Is everybody that we come across, who’s putting out stuff on YouTube, through alternative means to be trusted?  
Max: Look, I think there is definitely controlled opposition, absolutely, but a lotta new people have come out. You’ve got to understand people see this. They see that there is a problem and it’s overwhelming. If you’re someone who just woke up to this, I can understand just how absolutely overwhelming it is. The first thing would be amazement; that’s the first thing. You wake up to this and you’re amazed, but you didn’t see it there before because it’s so obvious. You get excited about it and you start trying to tell your friends. They won’t listen to you. They think you’re a nut; you’re a conspiracy theorist. Then you start looking at more and more stuff and you think ‘oh my god, this is huge.’  And nobody’s listening, nobody cares. But it’s so dangerous, look where we’re going, it’s so obvious. Then you move into the fear and then you go into this state of just hopelessness.
People aren’t waking up. This is so important. So, a lot of people just start posting stuff. They start opening up their own news sites. They start trying to wake people up to the fact that it’s all messed up. So, I mean there’s a lot of people that are led down that path and again I don’t think that they’re looking at the whole picture because it’s all opportunity. Now if it wasn’t this messed up, then you wouldn’t have the opportunity to fix it. That’s what we’ve got. We’ve got the opportunity to fix it, because never before in history has the workings of this mechanism been so bare, thanks to the internet. Never before has it been so bare.
We can all see what’s going on now. It’s so ridiculously obvious that we actually have the opportunity to fix it. But yeah there is controlled opposition and of course there. There has to be, because a lot of it is just screaming fear. Listen to the people that are talking and then see whether they’re actually offering you solutions. Now they might be coming across as a news service and they’re telling you all this stuff, but they’re not putting in little jokes, or anything sarcastic; it’s just fear fear fear. Fear fear fear problem problem problem…but they’re not giving you any solutions. Even, you’ll find alternative sites. They’ll write out something. They’ll cross words out and they’ll put new words there and stuff. It’s kinda funny the way they do it. This is what they say, but this is what they actually mean. They put that sort of sarcastic slant on it and it’s empowering. Makes you laugh a little bit at it. Makes you see how serious it is, but it shows you how you’re being manipulated. There’s people like that who do stuff like that and it’s great, but there’s people who just give you fear.
We’ve got so many problems. This is what they’re doing and then they leave you in fear. I’ve seen some great conspiracy movies. They give you the whole fantastic story and then tell you this diabolical plan that’s coming, but then at the end of the movie it just finishes. You go ‘now I know all this, what do I do? What can I do about it? You’re just left me in this state where I feel completely in fear and disempowered. What’ll I do from this point forward?” There’s a lot of films that do that. So you’ve gotta wonder, are these people controlled opposition, because that’s the way controlled opposition works.
If you’re gonna present a problem to people, you’ve got to at least offer suggestions of what the solution might be even if you don’t know it. We’ve only got our individual perspective and you might see a solution in your eyes. Hey, put it out there. See if someone else agrees with it, maybe we can do this. If we all think about it together, I’m sure we can come up with a solution. That’s what I try to do. I think personally the solution for it is for us to find ourselves, to realize that this whole system’s fiction. We made it all up; it only exists on paper. As soon as we find ourselves and start respecting ourselves, In Lak’ech, as I say on every radio show, and realize that that essence of you is the same as the essence of me. The only thing that makes you different from me is your perspective of reality. That’s what makes us all so unique. So we can be one. We can be one, because the essence of us is all the same. It all comes from the same place. But we can be completely unique because of unique perspective. Once we realize this and we start honoring each other, and realizing this whole system just exists on paper anyway, then we can change reality. That’s the way I look at it.
And hey, but that’s just my solution; that’s just the way I look at it. If I’m wrong, well hey, offer me your solution. Let’s work together on this. You’ve got people out there that won’t do that; they won’t offer any solution at all. They’ll say go and buy ammo and guns and barricade your house up and get ready for the war, get ready for civil war. We’ll take these people on; let’s take to the streets with guns. Gun marches in the street, occupy Wall Street. You don’t have to occupy Wall Street. We already occupy the entire plane, but we don’t occupy ourselves; that’s the problem. That’s my perspective on it as well.
Mel:  Indeed. You’ve mentioned something very interesting though. I can tell who’s interesting when I interview people. I can tell sort of how advanced or how aware their awareness is and yours definitely is quite…in terms of you understand that the darkness serves a purpose to evolve us.
Max: Oh absolutely. But of course. I mean every action institutes an equal and opposite reaction. Of course it does.
Mel: Mmm. Okay. So, you were talking about the system existing only on paper. You put out a lovely interview recently with the discussion panel from OPPT. I’m very interested to get your perspective. Obviously there’s a lot going around; there’s a lot of people trying to debunk this. You’re an intelligent man, and definitely very aware, what do you foresee and how do you see it?
Max: Look, the heart of the OPPT is the UCC filing that says that if you BE, then you are answerable only to the Creator…okay? Now, people may look at this and, now all the other parts of it. It’s interesting, all the filings that they went through to get to that filing and all this sorta stuff… interesting, interesting stuff. I’ve heard a lot of discussion about it. I’ve heard a lot of opinions of it, about it, but I haven’t heard anybody debunk that filing. The essence of this, really, that I see…look, I could be wrong…this is just my idea, but the essence of this is it’s all a corporate system. Every government is corporate system. I’ve seen on so many radio shows and I’ve done films about it where I said that one of the real problems that we face, is that the entire human experience has been reduced to commerce. So it’s all commerce. You go to a magistrate’s court, commercial court, get a parking ticket. It’s a commercial activity; everything is commerce. The interesting thing with this is that all commerce comes under the Uniform Commercial Code. If our governments are commerce and everything, every time a police officer comes and gives you a fine, it’s commerce. The government gives you a fine, because you slip outside one of their rules; it’s commerce. That’s the system that controls us.
Okay, so that is all run by the Uniform Commercial Code, which controls every single aspect of all commercial activity on this planet. If countries wanna interact with each other, they have to comply with the Uniform Commercial Code. It’s an American code, doesn’t matter. Everybody performs commerce…all under this code. So what I see the OPPT has done is they’ve made this filing under the UCC. So people say ‘they’ve used the UCC system blah blah blah they’re slamming into the UCC’. They’re not, what they’ve done is they’ve made this filing to say well ‘You BE. If you are alive, then you are no longer subservient to anything. Without a contract basically, because you’re answerable only to the Creator, whatever you perceive the Creator to be.
If you are going to come along and enforce your system upon me and give me a fine, give me anything like this…all this comes under UCC. So that’s fine, if you’re gonna come along and give me a fine, give me a parking ticket, whatever. Say you have jurisdiction over me, whatever. Happy to agree…all you have to do is debunk this filing. You have to rebut this filing that says under your UCC filling, that’s filed under UCC. You have to debunk this filing that says that I’m answerable only to the Creator, because if you’re going to come and use me for commerce and expect money from me, you are claiming that you’re a higher authority than my Creator or you’re claiming you created me. So you need to debunk this filing, because if you’re gonna use the UCC system against me, you can’t do that while this filing stands. So that’s what I see in it. That’s really the heart of it. To me it makes sense; that one particular aspect makes sense.
I’ve heard a lot of talks about the CVACS. I’ve heard a lot of talk about digital currency. I’ve heard a lot of talk about all sorts of aspects that are freaking people out. I’ve had trepidations. I’ve been looking at it and thinking well, this is almost too good to be true. But really, it comes down to that filing. In all the opinions that I’ve heard everybody offer, I have not yet heard anybody rebut the filings. So what I would say to people out there who are speaking out against it: Tami Peppererman, and Winston Shrout and a lot of people. Look, I love all these peoples’ work. I think we should all work together on this, because this could be something quite good. So with everything people are saying, what I’d like to see from all of these people, is someone actually rebut the UCC filings, because that’s ultimately what it’s all about. If this whole corporate system comes under UCC law, and this filing stands unrebutted in UCC law, then it stands as law.
And so that means that what Heather seems to have done is using their tools, she has freed us from their law should we choose to be free…should we choose to be free. Those who still want to remain in the slavery system, it’s there. You can do that; it’s all about contractual agreement. If you wanna continue to grant these people your jurisdiction, that’s fine, but it can’t hurt to ask the question. That if you’re going to exercise your right of ownership over me, or claim that you can do commerce with me, according to a system that exists under UCC law, then you sure as hell rebut this filing. Says I, me, because I BE, because I’m alive. I’m only answerable to the Creator. Because if you can’t rebut it, then you can’t use that UCC system against me to extract money from me. That’s kinda what I see in it, so yeah, correct me if I’m wrong.
Like I said, I’m not interested in the CVACS. I’m not interested in the $10 billion or whatever they’re saying. I don’t care. I just wanna walk into the forest and build a house. I wanna be free of the system. I want to have the tools to show that I’m free, because I’ve kind of used this stuff anyway. If I’ve been in a position where I’ve had to stand in the power of my flesh, I’ve done so because I never understood why anybody could claim to have a right of ownership over me. That’s all I really see in this filing. I see that someone’s done that for the world. There’s people saying that ‘she didn’t get permission to be a trustee from me, who gives her the right to this and who gives her the right’. Look, hey, if you’re gonna free yourself, if you’re gonna build an alternate society to free yourself, all your doing is running away and hiding and allowing the world to be destroyed around you. Eventually you’re gonna be eaten up later. I’ve often said that I don’t wanna rise from the pile, I wanna take the pile with me. I don’t wanna rise from the ranks, I wanna take the ranks with me. If there’s one person enslaved, then I’m enslaved. I don’t want to build an alternate society, I wanna fix this one.
So what’s the point of making the UCC filings or something like this, what Heather’s done, to free yourself if you don’t bring the rest of the world with you? If someone’s gonna complain about well, ’I didn’t say she had to be a trustee for me, and perhaps they’re gonna use this system to enslave me’…well how can they? Unless they can rebut the original filing that says you’re only answerable to the Creator, because if they’re gonna create anything…any law, any maxim, any guideline within the CVAC system or anything they’re gonna create…that’s gonna affect you in a way that you don’t want to be affected. Then they would have to rebut their original filing which is unrebuttable, because you are only answerable to the Creator. That’s my opinion on it. If you want to prove me wrong out there anybody, and you say that I’m falling into some trap, well hey, this is just the way I’ve been living my life for the last fifty five years and it’s worked for me. Now I just see it as a UCC filing. To me that heart of it, that original filing that says you’re only answerable to the Creator; that’s the important part. All the rest of it is irrelevant; it’s all for people who need the nanny state. Actually I don’t even think we’ll even need most of that, but none of it’s set in stone anyway I don’t think. It’s just ideas they’re putting forward, so be interesting to see where it all goes anyway.
Mel:  Absolutely. I’ll be honest with you. I’m still quite optimistic about the OPPT, because the thing about what they’ve done as you said, is that the basic core principal of it. On such a deep level when I heard it, I can’t ignore that spark that went off inside me. It was a recognition of something and that I’ve always gone with. If I get that feeling I know it’s something right, it’s something good.
I think for now it’s gonna take someone to actually go to court and use this and to have the court actually somehow try and rebut it for it to fail. For me, I think now what they’ve done is given us very practical tools that we could potentially use. It’s very, very smart of them. I think Heather’s very intelligent with what she’s done. I feel sorry for people who can’t see the beauty in what has happened. I think there was a lot if fear mongering that’s been done by certain members of the alternative media that have probably got a lot of people into this particular state. I see these people as uninformed; the same people going on about OPPT,  going on about the Satanists, the pedophiles, the Satanists, the pedophiles…constantly. Yeah?
Max: It’s programs. It’s all programs people are running. I mean to me that’s the core of it. I’m only answerable to the Creator. It says that in this filing and I’ve always known that, so how can this OPPT system create any slavery mechanism for me if that filing stands unrebutted? That’s the thing; that’s the heart of the matter.
So like I said, if you’re out there and you’re speaking out against us. What I’ve seen as well as a lot of people falling back into law, I heard Tami Pepperman talking to someone the other day. She fell back into ‘yeah, but how would this stand with the Hague?’ What? The Hague’s fiction. The Hague comes way way way below you and the Creator.  So where’s the Hague fit in between you and God? What’s going on here? See this is what I mean, people are falling back into legal fiction. Okay, fine…happy to go to the Hague…all you have to do is show me that the Hague has higher jurisdiction than what I perceive my Creator to be. Because the Hague comes under UCC law simply because it will fine people. It will take their life; it will use this system. It’s a commercial activity, so it all comes under UCC law. If it happens on the globe today and there’s any financial exchange or any dollar value put on anything, then it comes under UCC law. So how does the Hague have any relevance at all? To any of this? So this is what I’m seeing with it.
I think it has a possibility to be really big and to actually free us if people get involved in it. Now I’ve heard people say ‘oh this is a dragnet, anybody who files these forms, it’s a dragnet’. Well you don’t have to file any forms. All you’re doing is handing in Courtesy Notices and saying hey, this filing stands unrebutted. If you are going to conduct business with me or you wanna issue a fine to me, you need to rebut this UCC filing. Because according to this, I’m not answerable to your system. Your system comes under UCC, does it not? So therefore, this filing stands unrebutted, under the UCC system you’re intending to use against me. So you please need to rebut this filing, because I think I’m seeing that the playing field has changed. Happy to pay the fine, just rebut this filing for me; give me a signed affidavit, declaration signed, proving that this is,  happy to pay your fine.
How can you go wrong from doing that? If they can’t rebut the filing, then hey, guess what? You’re free. As long as you don’t hurt anybody else. You don’t cause any damage to anybody else or anything; it’s all good.  Where’s the problem with this? That’s what I’m seeing. I mean when freedom comes, I’ve always thought the shift that we’re gonna go through has gotta be something that we participate in.
Mel: Mmm.
Max: I think this gives us the means to participate in it, if we choose to do so. If a lot of people don’t get involved and we don’t bring this out into the mainstream and start having  public meetings about it, well it could well be used as a dragnet. Because the media will just spin it any way they want. People will get swept up and taken away and put in FEMA camps. It could absolutely do that, so there’s a dangerous side to it as well. But ultimately, I can’t see how anyone can rebut what this filing says and that one filing, as I said, is the heart of the matter. So that’s what I’d like to see from all of the detractors. I’d like to see them rebut the actual filing, because in all the rhetoric, in all the opinions, I have not seen anybody rebut the filing.
Mel: It’s interesting you mention the Tami Pepperman interview, because I did think it added quite good contrast for people who get it and people who don’t. She’s clearly someone who feels she needs someone’s permission to be free.
Max: Well look, she’s a very informed lady and she knows about who filed what. She knows how the legal system works. She’s a very informed lady and ten points to her, but when we understand it’s all a commercial system. I’m not a lawyer; I don’t know if she is either. I’m just looking at it logically and I know I’m free. I know I’m answerable to my Creator. I’ve been telling people this on films and radio for the last five or six years and that’s the way I live my life. I’m fifty five. I’ve never voted. I’ve never paid taxes. I’ve never really been involved in the system at all. I’m still free, so I must be doing something right. I know I’m only answerable to the Creator, so I don’t see why the Hague or anything has anything to do with it.
God love Tami Peppermann, she’s done some great stuff, but I think there’s a higher harmonic. What I’d like to see is Tami Pepperman and Winston Shrout and Frank O’ Collins, and all these people get together and actually see if they can rebut the filings. But all I wanna see from someone, okay, either rebut the filings or show me proof of claim that the unrebutted UCC filing does not become law under UCC. That all these countries and all corporatations and all business on the planet does not come under UCC law. That’s the thing; it all comes under UCC law. If you’re saying it doesn’t, well show me proof of claim. You don’t have to rebut Heather’s filings then, because there’s two ways you can rebut it. You can rebut Heather’s filings that you’re not answerable to the Creator or you can show me proof of claim that all commerce on this planet does not come under UCC law.
So there’s that, there’s the fact that an unrebutted filing stands as law, because that’s what’s claimed as well. It’s hard for us to know this because we’re not lawyers; we don’t know UCC law. But if a claim is made in any legal system, in any type of law, if a claim is made and it stands unrebutted then it must become law, mustn’t it? Really? Now if I say to you that you’re white. No, no, I’m a black woman. You come forward and you’re black, well there you go. I’ve just seen proof of claim; the claim is now rebutted. You know what I’m saying? But if you hide in the shadows and just scream out ‘no no I’m black, I’m black’ from the shadows, how do I know that you’re black? You know what I’m saying just as an example? So it’s that simple? You’ve got to show proof of claim. If they’re claiming that this doesn’t work, well, rebut the filing. That’s what I’m seeing. I’d like to see everybody get together, because I’m seeing a lot of people where they’ve got some vested interest. I can understand this because they’ve done a lot of work. I’ve spent twenty years working out this system or twenty years that. Frank O’Collins has done some fantastic work.
Mel: Yes
Max: He’s got his own canons. He’s got a whole new system worked out, the Ucadia system. But because of that he’s also got a vested interest in the Ucadia system. What if this filing frees us from all that? What if this filing gives us a chance to implement the Arcadian system? Why can’t he be working with the people who are working on the CVACs? Why can’t we all work together on this to see? Okay, if this filing can’t be rebutted, and this whole system comes under UCC, well let’s all work together and work out the best system that’s gonna free humanity. Because now we have the tools to do it. There’s a lot of people I think that want to be the one who saved the world. They wanna be the one. They want it their way. They want it tto be his system. They’re not prepared to look outside of the box that they’ve created for themselves. As knowledgeable as they are, and all due respect to all of these people, let’s bring it all together, because this could possibly work. Because what I’m seeing from that original filing, how can you rebut that? How can you rebut it? It’s unrebuttable. So it’s getting done by a UCC lawyer. There’s people saying ‘oh she’s an attorney, she’s got an oath to the BAR’. No, she cancelled her BAR association. ‘Oh, she cancelled it’. ‘She had an oath and she’s gotta swear another oath’. Why? They’re just words; it’s a spell.
Mel: Yeah.
Max: Can’t she just BE who she wants to BE? And BE who she is? Why does it have to be related to a spell, another oath? What is an oath? What does this mean? You have what? If you break your oath, you have to swear another oath to say that you broke your oath?  What’s this all about?
Mel: Yeah.
Max: It’s a spell, a Vatican spell; it’s a Roman spell. Forget it, it’s word magic. All you have to do is BE in your heart, so why can’t we all come together on this? That’s what I’d like to see. I wanna see everybody really look at it and put aside their agenda, put aside everything they’ve done, all the work that they’ve done. See if we cannot at this time, this crucial time in history, bring about a real positive change. Bring it all together. Merge it all together; bring it all together. Put down the division. Nobody, there is no one person who’s right. But everything they’re doing with the CVACs, who knows whether that’s all right? Let’s bring it all together and see what we can come up with. I think that this is an opportunity. All this division, I mean if worst comes to worst, if this all turns out to be rubbish, the amount of public attention it’s creating to the fact that we’re all enslaved to a corporate UCC system…it’s fantastic.
Mel: Yes.
Max: So the worst that’s gonna come of this is a huge amount of public awareness that the whole system is incredibly corrupt. So it can’t hurt. Talking about this, it can’t hurt bringing this to as much public attention as possible. Bring it all together; that’s what I wanna see.
Mel: Absolutely. Oh you know what Max? I couldn’t have said it better myself, honestly. I really would like to see everybody working together on this, because I do think at the end of the day, really when it comes to down to it, ultimately the tribute to humanity is we all want the same thing. Really.
Max: We do. Everyone’s scared about the New World Order: ‘Oh this is gonna be the New World Order. This is gonna be the New World Order’. Every approach everybody takes, if it’s about unity and freedom and equality for everybody, ‘Oh no, this is communist, this is the New World Order’. Well look, we don’t want the New World Order that the government is bringing us, that the powers-that-be want to usher. We certainly don’t want the Old World Order. People seem to perceive any change to the old paradigm as the New World Order. Look what the old paradigm’s done, it’s brought us to this state of disrepair that we’re currently in…what? People actually want this state to stay the same? Of course they don’t, we want change. We all want change. Alex Jones wants change, everybody wants change.
It doesn’t matter where you are in this whole thing. It doesn’t matter if you’re even screaming out fear. You still want change. Everybody wants change. But they’re not prepared to change from this old corrupt system which has brought us to this point. We do need a new world order, but it needs a new world order that is controlled by the People and brought about by the People. We don’t even need order. We need a new world whatever, but we need a new world. We certainly don’t need to maintain what we’ve got. But we need to control where this new world is going to go. So I think now is the time when we can bring it all together, but don’t reject throwing aside this old paradigm because this old paradigm is completely dysfunctional. It’s enslaved everybody. It’s created all this pollution, all this degradation. It’s turned Earth into the state that it’s in today and it’s not acceptable. So we need to cast aside that paradigm and we need to create a new one. That old paradigm was a corporate paradigm. This has now brought it to the attention of the People; that is the worst thing it’s done. It’s brought it to the attention of the People. Even if it’s all wrong, it won’t work. Well, it’s still brought it to the attention of the People. But seeing as how it is a corporate system and it does function under UCC, I don’t know how it can be a bad thing?
Mel: Yeah. For sure. Well, I look forward to that my friend. Realistically though, where do you see things going forward?
Max: Where do I see things going forward? Well it comes down to us. It comes down to whether we want to embrace something new and change the paradigm or whether we’re just gonna continue along the way we are. If we’re gonna continue along the way we are, we’re gonna fight every change and every turn ,then we’re heading down a very, very bad path. The path to transhumanism, the path of Agenda 21, the dispossession of the First World, the transfer of wealth to the Third World, the disconnection of some of the last People that are still connected to Reality; some of the last People that are still connected to the Earth. Over the next hundred fifty to a hundred years, we’ll see humankind merge with machines and completely get disconnected from the planet if we don’t pay attention. But we have a opportunity to change it right now, but everyone’s resisting the change. Everyone wants to stay in the old paradigm. So the choice is ours. It could go either way.
All these things, I put Agenda 21…the way they do it Mel is…they transfer wealth all around the planet. Like they build up society, like they build up the First World and by building it up and getting us concentrating on all of this superficial rubbish they’ve been giving…television and fashion. It’s what you look like and it’s what you’re wearing, your social status and all the rubbish they feed you through television. We’ve been brutalized; human consciousness has been absolutely brutalized in the First World. The First World has now got a really really superficial understanding of reality, and a really superficial understanding of themselves.
Even the relationships that people have, they’ve really really messed up relations in the First World. It’s usually about lust now. Very, very seldom do you see natural relationships developing with kids these days. So, they build up this First World and it’s completely disconnected. Living in this completely plastic matrix that’s reality where all your relationships are messed up. They’re all superficial or what you believe is valuable is all superficial. Creating this First World society, they impoverish the Third World at the same time, because they introduce a monetary system to them and they get them enslaved to this monetary system they use to milk all the resources to create the First World. Then you give the people in the Third World all mobile phones and televisions and stuff and they see the First World from the perspective of the television and they want it. So they start getting disconnected from their reality as well, disconnected from nature, start thinking about superficial relationships.
So what you do then is you crash the First World. You take all the wealth out of it, turn it into the Fourth World and you transfer it all to the Third World and build them up into the First World. So over a period of two or three generations, they get completely disconnected from reality as well. They become like what the First World just wants. Meanwhile, in the First World, you’ve turned it into the Fourth World, but these people are so dependent on money they think it’s real. They think the system’s real; they’ll go work in the mines. They’ll go do anything you want them to do, because they’re so dependent on money that they’ll do anything to collect the paper they believe they need to feed their children.
So you’ve completely disconnected them from nature. You’ve turned them into this. You can just transfer them/ transform them into whatever you want. You can turn them into a complete slave race. You notice there’s only chemtrails in the First World? There’s no chemtrails in the Third World, no chemtrails in China. It’s all through Europe, all through America, England, Australia. Anywhere that’s First World is all being sprayed with chemtrails as they’re crashing the economies of these places and transferring all the wealth to the Third World. They do that right across the board and eventually they disconnect everybody from nature, so we lose that connection to the planet. We lose our connection ourselves and we just become this huge worker race. That’s the way it’s done. I might’ve gone a bit off topic with all that, I dunno.
Mel: No, that’s amazing analysis actually and very succinct. Well, I’m quite hopeful for humanity, simply because I see people coming forward with stuff like. Having spoken with Heather and having really poked a bit around it, I guess, the spiritual matter, if you want to put a finer point on it. I really do feel that she’s got humanity’s best intentions at heart. Whatever the OPPT is all about, I think if anything it’s symbolic of what we can do if we just use our common-sense. Because it is a thing, as you say, from one point where we stand, where you stand. I can’t seem to, in any logical point of view, argue against that one point about, ultimately we are answerable only to the Creator. It’s just so deeply ingrained to me that I just don’t see how it’s arguable.
Max:  Yeah that’s it. It’s an unrebuttable claim and it’s a claim that’s filed under UCC and the entire system comes under UCC. So that one claim, because it’s filed within the system that’s used to enslave us, it means that that system can’t enslave us any more unless you can rebut that claim, if we choose to question it on this filing.
Mel: Yeah.
Max: Because hey, if you’re gonna use that system against people, well like I said, you sure as hell better be able to rebut this claim ‘cause that’s what it says.
Mel: I’m inspired by these people. I really am. I’m inspired by the people like Heather and people like yourself who can see it for what it is and who are taking some form of action whatever it is even if it’s just on paper. Yeah?
Max: Well yeah, and like I said, the worst it can do really is wake everybody up to this is the way it works. I can’t see anybody, with all the opinions they’ve offered, I can’t see anybody rebut that claim, and that is the basis of the whole system, so how can the system that has that as its core do anything to enslave me that I don’t  agree to? It can’t.
Mel: I think it’s the kind of people like that who are doing things. I’m so optimistic for the outlook of humanity. I really do think we’ve passed a precipice into a different time, where things can be made better. We’ve been given the tools and I’m excited; I feel like there’s a new spark. For a long time, I’ve fought this. It really did feel like a bit of a battle in the alternative media trying to get to people and constantly taking knocks from people who just totally didn’t agree. The sacrifices of trying to wake family up who didn’t wanna know, but I got to a certain point that really did come when I heard about: yes, we’ve finally been given tools by people that understand. There are people out there doing things and for that reason I’m very optimistic. I think right now, the responsibility of people like you and me and Lisa Harrison, is to try and bring these people together to work a solution as opposed to picking each other apart.
Max: Yeah. Well, we’ve got an opportunity now that’s brought it to the forum. Everybody’s talking about this, but it’s all arguments for and against. Well, let’s get everybody together at the same table and say look, we all want to change things, how do we go about it?  Because we can’t expect this system to do it, how do we empower the People? If we’re gonna show the People out there…your average Joe Friday who works in the suburbs and watches the football and eats meat pies for dinner…if we can’t convince this person that he’s free and show him on paper that he’s free, he’s never gonna feel free. He’s never going to stand up to make any positive change. If people don’t do this, it’s down. We’re heading for a very very bad place. It’ll mean the end of all freedom on this planet if we don’t reign this system in.
We’ve gotta find a mechanism to do it. This gives us the opportunity to, even if everybody disagrees on it the way they are, it’s still an opportunity because now all these people are talking. They might be arguing, but they’re still talking. They’re all communicating with each other. It’s brought a lot of people onto the table together. It’s brought a lot of people onto the same playing field, so now it’s time to put them all together and to hammer it out and see what we can come up with. So we got something, imagine something that we all agree on. Where no-one has an agenda, it isn’t about your way being the right way. It’s about something that works for everybody. Freedom and self-responsibility where no-one gets harmed; where everybody is one hundred percent accountable for their actions and accountable for themselves. That’s what we need and this gives us the opportunity to bring that about. If people can put down their egos and stop thinking that their way’s the right way, we’ve all got a piece of the puzzle. Everybody’s got a piece of the puzzle, so let’s bring it all together. Instead of pointing the finger and calling the other guy the enemy, let’s all get together and start working out what actually works and what actually doesn’t, because we have a real opportunity here.
Mel:  Beautifully put…thanks Max. I think we’re gonna finish this off. I’ve only got one last thing I wanted to ask you and that is do you have any one last final message for humanity?
Max: Oh look, I think everything that I just said.
Mel: I know…(laughter)…you’ve covered it pretty well.
Max:  Wake up to yourselves. It’s all I can share. A lot of these problems are opportunities. We’ve got to do something now. What we’ve got to do more than anything is find ourselves. So don’t let all the rhetoric get in the way. Don’t fall prey to the word magic. Don’t fall under the spells; all of this stuff. Don’t fall under your own spell. We often do that. We get to a point where our way is the only way and we find fault with everybody else. We’re not prepared to think outside of our own box we create for ourselves. We’ve gotta put all of this aside.
We all knew this was gonna be a time of shift. It’s just that everybody thought the shift was gonna be what they thought it was going to look like. I tell ya, this whole OPPT thing, it’s nothing like I thought it was gonna look like. All the arguments I’ve seen against it have all been falling back into the law. They’ve all been falling back into word magic. They’ve all been falling back into programs; usually Roman programs, Vatican programs, Satan versus God programs, all this sorta stuff. All programs, these are all programs, all designed to divide people. Now we’ve got an opportunity here where everything is finally on the table and this could be a mechanism that you could use to wake up Joe Public. He could wake up to the fact that this makes sense and if you can fault it, please make a rebuttal. Don’t offer an opinion, just make a rebuttal. I think half the people that we’re hearing on this, they’re not actually going and reading the filing. Go read the filing and then if you can find a way of rebutting these filings, then rebut them. If you can’t, then show us proof of claim that all commerce on this planet does not come under UCC, and that an unrebutted UCC filing stands as the law within the UCC system. Show me those two things and if you can’t, then let’s all get together and work together on this, and find a way to create a New Paradigm…because we can’t go on with the old one, it doesn’t work.
We can’t let the ship of state just continue to sail along in the direction that it has been for so many years, while we sit here and argue amongst each other over different aspects of how we think of how the new paradigm should look. We have to realize that it’s not gonna look like any of us thought it would look like. It’s gonna be a creation, a manifestation of seven billion different souls, seven billion different minds and different perspectives of Reality. So we gotta stop arguing amongst ourselves and we gotta bring this all together and realize our way is not the only way. We all have a piece of the puzzle and it can work if we suddenly realize that we are all in this together and start living our lives In Lak’ech. That’s my message to the world.
Mel: Beautiful. Thank you Max. It’s really been an honor and a privilege and a long overdue wait to get the interview with you, but I think all the timing was really good. It will be a well suited interview for what’s going on at the moment. I look forward to speaking to you again.
Max: Well, it’s been a pleasure to come on Mel. Thank you for asking me on and I’m sure we’ll catch up again in the future.
Mel: Love to. Alright Max. Thanks a lot, take care, have a good evening.
Max: Okay.




Heather Tucci-Jarraf (and a crew of favorites) joins Lisa Harrison in a discussion of several pieces of the OPPT. Ginger’s notes are at bottom. One note she made:

Just loved this statement (after hearing the show!) from the Sirians via Sheldon

“Pursuant to this, we are providing the dark ones on your world with documents which state that the time has come when we can officially intervene in your reality on your behalf.”

Show link:–56-march-2013

MP3s (minus music, volume leveled and boosted) (30 min., 7 MB per Part)

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Complete show (2:26, 33 MB)


Ginger’s Notes on the Show (Mahalo, Ginger!!)

Aloha Ka Kou (Everyone), Loved this show! And was very inspired to add some of my own ways of understanding how things will be happening this week to my usual notes from this 2hr 25min show – (–56-march-2013)

In general, this Collective Imagination show felt like all the actors, crew, producers, and director of a play coming together in a global circle . . . just before the grand opening of an immense exciting new show. As each reflects upon what it has taken to manifest this new show, with all the investigations, research and preparations to arrive at this final moment in time . . . just before the first global curtain call . . . I see lightening snakes of anticipation zinging in celebration across Mother Earth’s airwaves. And they know that once the curtain is raised and this new show begins, not everyone is going to understand it or even believe it . . . and that’s ALL okay!

Initially everyone shared how they are and or observing great anticipation, emotional ups and downs, and melt downs, even with their kids lately. Heather shared her challenges with technology last 6 days and her kids are being extra sensitive exercises.

After January 21st, everyone was re-calibrated to the new grids (and elaborates). Nothing false in Nature can last anymore. Multiple things going on in different dimensions. We are now all being drawn to the Absolute Grids and anything not in harmony with it is lifting out immediately.

“Image of self does not resonate” anymore (Heather elaborates – excellent!)

“Absolute Truth draws it’s own visibility” – Heather

Take the time to contemplate ALL you have done and experienced in your lifetime now, then . . .

What’s your new truth now? Who are you choosing to be now? . . . Is it true for you???

About 37 mins in, Heather begins to discuss where things are at now . . . important to listen to!

Do you understand your value? And an exchange of that value?

It’s important to read about the CVAC, what it means and understand what this tool is . . . at the moment it was Created . . .

It was constructed in such a manner, people could recognize authentic freedom that is theirs, and their full responsibility to embody it most completely.

The next step now is to shift our focus to how to access our Assets and use them, without inadvertently repeating the old 3D system of value exchanges, in a highly transparent manner.

In a 3D context, the new system will temporarily mirror the old one. For example, when you open an account in a bank . . . you have system and unique container to hold value for exchange. Next, move into a 4 to 5D perspective by seeing the unlimited value of each our creator life force energies or Mana in each our human bodies . . . AND each our highly unique bio-matrix signatures.

Now imagine using our unlimited Mana combined with our unique bio-signatures to purchase a loaf of bread. And that it’s our unique bio-signatures that create temporary “security” that cannot be hacked into and or stolen by anyone else.

To move this vision fully into a 5D perspective, imagine this exchange via our Mana only, as well as working with creation energies to just simply manifest (and when finished with what we manifested, sending it back to the Creation Ethers in Gratitude).

For now, we can think of each of us as an individual bank/treasury system that each of us has full control over, and having full access to all our Assets Equally. What is critical now is the following . . .

  1. That the system be owned EQUALLY by ALL.
  2. The the system must be hacker-free (Trustee Caleb is creator and protector of this – Mahalo Nui Loa!)
  3. All management of this system, has to be fully transparent (and as it is the best protection of it).
  4. The understanding that this is about the returning The Value. Period.

We each have full authority to issue forth what resonates for each of us.

This is the foundation of a new way of living and, therefore new consciousness expanding exponentially.

We are moving into learning how to manifest anything energetically, as some already know how to do so!

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (about 75mins into show)

There is nothing left inside the tube of toothpaste (specifically us, our human Mana) for them (cabal) to use anymore, as the new grids no longer support this configuration.

Everything is switching over this week.

The Being and the Doing is what’s generating this energy, especially now because we have been re-calibrated to the new grid. If we have an intent to get access to our true value, it will be done. Everyone has been feeling this energy because we have been drawing it down to ourselves for ourselves (verses our energies being harvested and used by the PTW). So what do you want to do? . . . and your choices will be honored, as this is the week that it will become real and happen.

It will help to read about the CVACs and the UCC discussed last week, because they draw magnetically. So let this creator energy flow to us and through us.

Heather – “194 systems for CVACs will be up and running by end of week”

At about 84mins into show – LOIS describes how to repair our own (electro) magnetic grids and make them whole again, so we can best receive all we are magnetically wanting to do into DO-ing.

The Absolute Data (big “D” for disclosure) once delivered to the masses will serve as a huge trigger points to remember. What will it look like? . . . we can each hold however we want it to be and send it out to those listening . . . it will be peaceful and a celebration . . . free of limits on imagination or creation . . . and each of ours contributes to whole manifesting of . . .

Dale came on (who could bi-locate as a kid) to other worlds, that did not know meaning of war and lived in perfect harmony. They only ate for pleasure (did not physically require it). So imagine living in world that’s a blank slate now . . . what do you want to put in it??? (imagine weather, new transportation vehicles connected with our consciousness to go where want to go, homes connected with consciousness . . . for starter examples). And then just state, “I” . . . the universe has heard, and so shall it be. Know it. Feel it.

“The best way to lead is by serving and everyone will grow”

“Everyone needs to have the opportunity to know who they BE, so they can make new choices”

2hrs 20mins into show – How would a 3D stock broker/financial adviser and accounts make this transition? – discussed here.

In closing with Luke’s poem read by Brian – “At the touch of love. . . just take the red pill”

And I will add, that this WILL be a week in human history to remember! Ginger


I was reading through the some transcripts, and also pulled some questions and answers from Skype regarding the Creator Value Asset Centers (CVACs).  I just believe everyone should get an opportunity to see this information.  Enjoy…


Lisa: Thank you, that clarifies things for me a bit. I have some more questions that have come up in regards to CVAC’s. I just wanted to let everybody know that on American Kabuki site there is now a post called OPPT Terminology defined. It goes through all the definitions of what a CVAC is, what a CVAC system is, what a CVAC branch is. UILO is the Universal International Law Ordinance. Definitions of words that have been used and I really strongly recommend that you go and read all of those and get them very clear in your head. But one question that I’ve had repeatedly is based on a comment that came out in one of our discussions. It was, “You can draw out what you put in”, a comment along those lines. So there are people who are elderly, disabled and perhaps they have worked their entire lives. They’re finally enjoying some retirement who suddenly think now they’ve to get a job or contribute in some way in order to receive. It’s freaking them out. Do you want to comment?
Heather: I saw someone comment on…I don’t know if it was Tami or Tracy or somebody else…at this point. My comment was, similar to a contract if you go in and do a contract, one puts something in. Oh wait, that’s exactly what the corporations have been doing all this time. You put something in and they don’t. So that’s not a valid contract; that’s in one sense. However, Wow!, whoever went in and said that I said that older people, children, the disabled, have no value what so ever. What are they going to do? It just shows where their mind is; what their position is. I have some really great older friends, disabled, children; you name it, everyone has value. As far as what OPPT went in and got, in the old system, back for the people, everyone has prepaid this value essentially and it has been commandeered and stolen. So, there’s lots of value that’s there for everybody and it’s all equal. As far as what value they want to share and experience now, that’s up to them, but everyone has value.
— Collective Imagination Show, 26 Feb 2013
Skype Messages Q&A From Heather


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The Collective Imagination
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 (USA)
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 (Australia)
Lisa: Welcome everyone to The Collective Imagination for this week. We do have a lot of different things to discuss today and hopefully clear up all of the questions that people have. We also have Heather on the line today, which is a nice bonus as always. One of the things we want to talk about initially is I just want to clear something up in regards to filing UCC filings and filing liens. If you’re being told that you must make a UCC filing, from a commentator or you’ve read it somewhere on the internet, it has not come from OPPT. There is actually nothing you need to do in that regard. People are getting really worried about how to fill in their documents and stuff like that. There’s nothing to fill in.
The only exception to that is if you’re using the Courtesy Notice and you’re following that process and you’ve invoiced an individual or several individuals over a period of time and it’s gotten to the point where you want to get enforcement on those invoices, only at that point would you be looking at making a filing. So, I hope that clears things up. I want to bring Chris in to add or clarify something that I may have gotten wrong on that. Chris, you there?
Chris: I’m here. Good morning everybody. It’s a nice, cool day down here at the moment. We are in the south of the country. No, I think you’ve covered it. There’s no need to be doing any UCC filings at all, unless you go to the enforcement end of the Courtesy Notice process. Which is something amongst all the other things that have been popped in front of myself and the Bartles in the last week or so. That’s on our list of things to define and clarify should anyone want or need to do it at a later point. We don’t see that happening immediately. It’ll take some weeks, if that and may never become necessary. Nevertheless, the Courtesy Notice is the key thing. Would you like me to talk about the next release of it, Lisa, now?
Lisa: Yeah, we may as well go over (inaudible) that Courtesy Notice.
Chris: Okay. Now, based on the initial experience we’ve had with the Courtesy Notice and the actual degree of wording that’s available in the Courtesy Notice, we’re actually about to do a re-release of the thing. It’s grown. It’s changed in its scope, which is why it’s taken a little bit longer than we expected, because we keep realizing there are things we can do with this. We’re going to end up with either four or five versions of the Courtesy Notice, but they’re only different by one paragraph. Now we’ve decided to release the four or five versions because we know there are people out there who really don’t use things like Microsoft Word much and will struggle with copying and pasting. So, we’re going to put out four-five separate files, with a clear indication of file name, what that particular one is for.
The categories are going to fall in to these: paper action, where the Respondent has sent you a piece of paper with some kind of unlawful demand on it. A physical incident, which is a situation where someone has physically harmed you. Maybe they’ve put you in handcuffs and put you in a patrol car. We don’t encourage anybody to try and use these Courtesy Notices in a situation like that. It’s very confrontational; it probably won’t help you. You can wait till you get the piece of paper as a result of that and then do a combined action, if you wish.
Then there’s another category of future action, which is very simple. This sort of thing you could send to a senior person inside a foreclosed corporation. It simply says “with regard to any future action by (Respondent’s name) with (address of Respondent)”. The terms and conditions that they would use if they happen to respond to this. The terms and conditions that you would use would come very clear when you become familiar with the terms and conditions. So, I’d advise you to kind of read through those and get the feel of them, because you’d respond precisely to what they’ve actually put forward to you if you use that future action. 
Then we’ve got two special categories, which may end up being one. At the moment, we’ve got a thing we’ve called “Slavery Foreclosure General”. This relates back to a paragraph that’s in the final Declaration and Order, which we’ve also added to the Courtesy Notice in the section in the back under the Military or under Enforcement. I may have read this before, but I’ll draw it to your attention. It says “All BE’ings of the Creator shall forthwith assist all public servants identified herein”, mainly the Trustees for that particular document, “to implement, protect, preserve, and complete this Order by all means of the Creator and created as stated herein by and with under your full personal liability”, which means that We the People are meant to assist the Trustees and of course the volunteers within the military in shutting down the slavery systems. So, the Courtesy Notice is a key part of that. We’re letting them know that we know what’s happened.
Now, in regard to what we can use it for, I’ll read out the Declaration of Facts that you will find in this version and you will use. It says “with regard to perpetuation of any and all slavery systems by Respondents (with address of Respondent)”. That’s it. So, that Courtesy Notice can go to any person in any corporation…and I’ll use this term specifically…that damages your measurable energy. Tucked away down in the body of the Courtesy Notice is under Duly Verified Notice is this paragraph “Proponent duly makes and gives you due notice that Respondent is lawfully and legally responsible and liable in principle and triple damages under common law for any and all unlawful and illegal actions against Proponent by Respondent causing and resulting in any and all damage to Proponent,  inclusive of physical harm, physical detention, property seizure, property damage, financial damage, or any other damage of Proponent’s measureable energy”. So, if they do something that outrages you…
Lisa: Sorry, I just want to clarify. Based on what we talked about yesterday, when it comes to large groups of people wanting to stand behind an individual, one of the People…
Chris: This is it.
Lisa: Which version are we talking about?
Chris: Both of these two final versions. Just give me 30 more seconds and I’ll put the full stop at the end of the sentence.
Lisa: All right. I just wanted to be REALLY clear.
Chris: The two Declaration of Facts is in regard to “the perpetuation of any and all slavery systems by person with the address of such and such”. If you feel outraged by the actions of a CEO of a company or a police force, you could send this to the person in charge of that, because they are damaging your measurable energy. Okay? They are perpetuating a stress and a harm to you that has been foreclosed and they should cease and desist. The second one is with Calling Slavery Foreclosure Individual. This one says “with regard to perpetuation of any and all slavery systems, specifically the incarceration of (in this case, Patrick Cody Morgan) by Respondent’s name (inaudible) address”. It could say “Bill Brockbrader”. It should be addressed to the judge who put these guys in jail, or judges, all of the court staff, any police people; anyone you find is involved with incarceration of these people. If you’re finding that absence of Bill Brockbrader has diminished you in some way, you are entitled to let the system know. This is how we actually stand toe to toe.
Lisa: Now, in light of this and in light of the discussion we had yesterday, I’m going to bring Brian Kelly out because we’re adding a whole new section to the website, the OPPT-IN website. Brian, you there?
Brian: Yeah, I’m here Lisa. How are you?
Lisa: I’m good, darling. How are you?
Brian: I’m doing good. Thank you so much.
Lisa: Do you want to explain what this new section of the website is there for and what its purpose is and how people can use it?
Brian: Yeah, absolutely. This idea came about this morning when we received notice from Stacy, who is Patrick Cody Morgan’s sister. I’m actually preparing a blog as we speak for a little flash mob that we’re going to do later. But essentially Patrick Cody Morgan was charged for mortgage fraud, which had no weight or bearing to it. It was totally illegitimate. He had his arraignment today, where basically this morning they found him guilty. They sentenced him to twenty seven years in prison for doing absolutely nothing at all. So, the inspiration is to make these stories very widely known. We plan on doing that by holding these people…this judge for example, his name is judge Lynn Nettleton Hughes.
For anybody out there that thinks they can get away with these kinds of things, we’re going to make sure that everybody knows what you did. We’re going to make sure that you think twice if you’re in a position to commit these kinds of acts against free people and against innocent people. I’m trying to find the name of that here that Bob came up with today. We’re going to be putting out a part of the website, where we’ll be posting the pictures of these people and documentation, as well as Courtesy Notices that tell the whole story. Then that way their faces are out there for everybody to see. For anybody who wants to send Courtesy Notices in or call the Courthouse, send an email, send a fax, we set it up today this flash mob we’re going to do later. The Courtesy Notices can actually be emailed in.
So essentially we’re going to have an ongoing record logbook of these perpetrators, so they might have been able to hide behind the systems. Really what we want to do is we want to make sure that they have nothing they have to hide behind anymore and what they did is made public. So we’re going to be adding to OPPT-IN website. It’s going to allow us to do just that. It’s going to put their crimes and offences out there for everybody to see. Hopefully that will make them think twice about moving forward with these kinds of corruptive acts and practices.
(talk over)
Lisa: Sorry. I just want to clarify for a minute. Are you saying for each case that goes up, there, there will be an already filled-in Courtesy Notice? All you have to do is add your name to it? It already has all the details pertinent to that particular case?
(talk over)
Brian: Yeah. Well, go ahead. Who was that talking?
Bob: It was me.
Brian: Oh, hey Bob.
Bob: Hi everyone. We’re having a snow storm here by the way. In case I drop out, you know what happened.
Lisa: If you drop out, we all drop out.
Bob: This is true, so let’s hope that doesn’t happen. Anyway, it acts basically as a public registry. We’re letting them know that if you continue in this action, your name is going to be registered on a public data base. We’ll give them the website that they can look at with all the details of the case. So if you sent Courtesy Notices and he ignored them and he sent you a judgment or a fine or whatever, that’s all going to be up there. He’s going to be registered as engaging in treasonous activity.
Brian: There you go.
Bob: That database, as it grows, will get forwarded eventually to the military and the volunteers that are available for enforcement. We’re letting them know that they’re not going to continue. We’re taking names.
Brian: Yes.
Lisa: Is that it?
Brian: Yeah, that’s basically it. Bob had a very creative name that he came up for it. That’s what I was trying to fine in our skype chat here, which is why I’m kind of back and forth. Bob, do you know what you called it today?  It was creative. I just wanted to…..
(talk over)
Brian: OPPT Taking Names. So, think of it like the (chuckle) FBI’s Top Ten Most Wanted list. Well, it’s going to be set up in a fashion like that. Where their position, their name, what they did is all going to be held in a database that will keep a record of their actions, so that when the time comes they can be held accountable to the treason and to the offenses that they’ve made. I’m actually in the background right now setting up the flash mob to support Patrick Cody Morgan and his sister who shared with us the whole story. At some point throughout the call, we’ll put the call out so we can send out Courtesy Notices to this alleged judge, Lynn Nettleton Hughes. I’m working on it in the background right now.
Lisa: Okay, great. Now I just wanted to shift gears briefly. I wanted go back to that document that came out last week; the one that’s on my website and American Kabuki. The one that puts an end to the game of duality. I wanted to ask the people in the chat room, because they’re the only ones who can really talk to me about this right now, is have you felt it? What’s been your emotional and energetic response to this? Have you felt anything? We made the comment last week in terms of the powers-that-were, is that they’re currently working off-script. What I really got for me was that so am I. That whatever I came in here with, whatever issues, whatever karma, whatever words you want to put it, whatever I carried through into this particular incarnation is done. I’m now in a position to work off-script. I’m in a position now to let go of all that programming. I can color outside the lines. I can create a whole new image. There’s been some interesting manifestations of that, both physically within my body, as probably you’ve all heard with the coughing and the carrying on and energetically and also with relationships. It’s like it’s all balancing out. I’m hearing stuff. I’m seeing stuff in the chat room, “Exactly”. Yet people are feeling it. That’s good. I’m not alone then. That’s great.
Bob: It’s not just that you can let go of; it’s knowing that the contract had been satisfied with our Creator. Any guilt that you may be holding onto, you can let go, because everything has been satisfied. Everything has been reckoned and dealt with, so we can move forward from here with how we want to build this world. It also came to me that because we’re in this new space basically anything we ask for is going to be so, because we’re doing it. As long as it falls within those guidelines, anything we ask for is going to be for us. It’s going to be there for us.
Lisa: But the guidelines (inaudible—talk over). I don’t know. It feels like we are literally making this up as we go along now in a way that we never have before. We’ve always been creating our own reality. But it felt like the guidelines were pretty strict parameters. Now the goalposts have moved so much that it’s even hard to touch the boundaries anymore. We’ve got such a bigger field to play in. Does that make sense?
Bob: Yeah, exactly, very much so. It’s as though the whole area has been cleared out for us. We get to paint whatever picture we want on it. It’s a lot bigger pallet than we’ve ever had. We even have more colors to use in painting this picture.

Chris: I have to say that’s even expressing itself in the way that Scott and Ken and I were reprocessing the Courtesy Notice, based on sort of feedback and what we’re feeling. We looked at it and we thought, “This is much bigger than we thought originally. We’ve got to think bigger here, so people can deal with anything in their lives.”

Bob: Another thing that’s really come to the forefront of my mind is what all of this is. I keep looking at it. There’s more to it than just UCC filings and legalities and stuff. This is literally a crash course in fifth dimensional living. As I was going through this whole journey and putting all these things together, it’s allowed me to connect so many different dots multi-dimensionally. As to putting lines across why things happen here and what’s going on here and what’s going on in all the different energy levels and dimensions and how they all fit together and how they all tie together. It’s really, really bringing together into focus who I am in relation to all of that. It’s in a 3D way describing exactly who we are and in every dimension you can imagine. It points to the same thing, that we are responsible, that we are creators and that we get to exercise that now consciously. That’s a game that I am so excited to play.

Lisa: Now, I look back at this show and how it’s evolved. Towards the end of the year when we did the countdown, we spoke to ten different people and got ten different versions of what they thought this shift was going to look like. It turned out to be nothing anybody expected.

Chris: Lisa, I have to say in fairness, one of the things we speculated about is that it would turn up in a way that none of us expected.

Lisa: That’s true, that’s true.

Chris: It’s the only one that’s come true.

Lisa: I can see how some people look at this and go, “This isn’t a spiritual shift. It’s all bogged down in paperwork.” I can certainly see that perspective. But for me it’s so multi-dimensional it’s not funny. I know I keep making references to that beast vision, because that’s what I’ve got. That’s what brought home to me in every cell of my being the multi-dimensional aspect of this. There’s nothing about those documents that is 3D, apart from the paper they’re written on. Everything else about them (silence) (breaking up—inaudible) and that you can literally feel the energy of them. (Lisa breaking up)

Bob: Breaking up there, Lisa.

(Lisa breaking up)

Bob: You’re breaking up really bad there, Lisa. Can everyone hear me?

Brian: Yeah, I hear you, Bob, just fine.

Bob: Okay, it’s something on your line, Lisa. You’re chopping really bad.

Brian: We might have lost her. We couldn’t have lost her if she started the call.

Bob: No, I started the call. She’s changing her headphones, I think.

Chris: Heather’s just noted “her energy is overloading the Skype circuits”.


Chris: Got Heather running in the background on a bit of chat here. But I think we know the direction she was going here with that is that this is a very, very unexpected turn of events.

Bob: In reading the documents and in comprehending the multi-dimensional meaning behind them, when you read that document and it’s talking about the contract to experience separation has been satisfied and the ramifications of that and what it really means because how many thousands of years have we been playing this game? I don’t even know.

Chris: Well, I’m hoping to find out in this process actually.

Bob: Since Atlantis.

Chris: (inaudible) Yeah, well, yes, at least.

Bob: So, I mean this is…

Lisa: I’m back, can you hear me?

Bob: Yeah, there you are.

Lisa: Well, okay. Did we get Heather?

Bob: Heather, are you there?

Heather: Yeah, I’m here. Hi everyone.

Lisa: Heather, have you been able to listen to what we’ve been talking about so far?

Heather: Oh yeah. I’ve listened to the whole show. Thank you. I really enjoy the energy and I return it in kind. It’s amazing to watch you guys BE.

Lisa: Thank you. Is there anything in particular you wanted to address today?

Heather: Just that enforcement is the big focus for people. Well, it’s even more of a focus now than money. When’s the money going to show up? I guess perhaps this is all intertwined anyway, since Courtesy Notices, UCC filings. People are sending me all sorts of data and especially the contracts that are out there right now. It’s important for Absolute Data to come on the table. That’s the whole job of the OPPT at this point. All the legalese, all that boring stuff is over; its done with. There’s nothing left to lien, because everything is already held by the people equally as it is. There’s nothing left to lien.

I’ve wanted to make this very clear. Anything that is officially issued by OPPT is posted at our website and that website is just an archive. We’re not going to go in and make it user friendly and make it pretty and fun to use. It’s just an archive, so that people know what we officially issue. Other than that, everything that right now is coming out as OPPT is the people. Someone sent me over saying, “Why did you guys send a letter pleading with the Swedish government?” I think it was the Swedish government. I was like, that’s news to me. I read it and realized it’s just the people out there. They’re asking nicely and timely, which is a great contrast to what you see certain corporations operating under the guise of government doing, collecting ammo and guns and playing their false flags.

The people don’t need to file anything else on the UCC as far as the old stuff. If people choose to file UCCs for any kind of contract that they enter into or anything like that, that’s great. But as far as the old stuff goes, it’s all done. Nothing more needs to be liened; it’s already done. All the assets were foreclosed on and that was by their own choice, by the powers’ own choice. All we did was record it, so we’re just a glorified secretary. This is as you said, there’s much more to the UCC database than just a commercial registry. That’s where the fun stuff starts and that’s why I’m so excited about Lisa talking about her vision, regarding the beast. It is about right now. You guys are recognizing harvesting tools.

KP, Kauilapele, was discussing about Facebook. Facebook is a really good harvesting tool that someone behind Zuckerberg, because Zuckerberg doesn’t have the energy cognizance to go in and even think about harvesting. So there was somebody else behind that. I know that it went all the way up to the banking. So just be aware, see what resonates with you. I love data and I love seeing all this data coming out, whether people term it as 3D, 5D, 27D, eternal; it doesn’t matter.

The point is data is coming out. I’m not attached to any of the data. I am attached to the Absolute Data coming out…transparent. I just wanted to make those few clarifications. People are asking me to respond and get on radio shows and debates and I’m not going to bait. Right now I just want Absolute Data out there. If people want to go in and discredit the Declaration of Facts, I would love that. Go in and do a sworn duly verified rebuttal, declaration of rebuttal, point by point, with specificity and particularity. Then we’ll go ahead and play. Energy is so effective and it’s so important. Pay attention to where you’re paying your energy. I think you guys are all doing a wonderful job BE’ing. Those are the points I just wanted to clarify. If there’s anything else, go ahead and ask me, but I really enjoy just seeing where you guys are taking the energy tonight.

Lisa: (chuckle) Thank you.

Chris: Sure.

Lisa: I wanted to ask you though. It feels like since that document, that last document came out, the question I just posed to all the people in the chat room, energetic accounting.

Heather: Yeah.

Lisa: Okay, that’s what I feel like I’m doing at the moment, on a personal level. It’s like my personal books have been balanced.

Heather: (affirmative response)

Lisa: Good, bad and ugly. (chuckle) What does that mean for each individual on this planet right now? Are we all going through this?

Heather: Well…

Lisa: Are others behind the curtain going through this?

Heather: Oh yeah, they’re the first ones to go through it. (chuckles) The wizards behind the curtain, they know all about energy. They’re the ones who have created the harvesting tools. They’re the ones right now trying to figure out what they’re going to do, because they usually have eons to set up their templates. They have decades to test and refine them and then they implement them. You guys took them off-script. They have no idea what to do. So being off-script, not knowing what to do, is causing chaos within their ranks, but they do know energy. They have siphoned, stolen, commandeered energy by using tools of representation. Those guys are going to through energetic accounting first.

Now, the eternal heart exercise, which is being prepared right now, that’s what it Everyone has their own resonance, okay? they have their own database that they’re working from, which is why it’s so important to bring Absolute Data transparent and bring it to the table transparency, is that perhaps you will find that within each embodiment, within each BE’ing in Source’s universe, there’s an eternal heart. Those souls, those eternal BE’ings, that decided they were going to play this game or have this experience of separation.

Before they actually started playing the game or even set up the rules, they set up basically the safety net, the safety clause, the end-game insurance that it would stop. Similar to what you would hear described as far as a death experience, near death experience, review of your life and seeing whether you accomplished your goals, your mission, whatever it is, well that’s all energetic accounting or energetic bookkeeping, because bookkeeping and accounting are two separate things. They are not the same.

So, with energetic bookkeeping and accounting, it just goes through and looks at every single movement that a particular eternal heart did throughout the embodiment. The eternal hearts agreed to do this energetic accounting and bookkeeping and that is one of the tools of enforcement. Just one mind you. So as far as the energetic accounting and bookkeeping goes, if I’m going to ask the other eternal hearts to go through the bookkeeping and accounting, then I must stand there and go through it myself. Whether I see myself as a bad person or a good person, that’s all irrelevant. It’s just data.

So at this point, I know what my eternal heart is and that was to go and share with all of you this experience of separation.  Everyone was playing a role. So if I’m going to stand there and go through this energetic accounting and bookkeeping, then I can ask the other eternal hearts to do it too. But I don’t have to go and do Lisa’s accounting or bookkeeping. That’s her job and she will do that. Lisa, you stated that you already felt like you were doing it the minute that you even just heard about it and said I’m in.

Lisa: That’s it. It’s started.

Heather: Yeah, so the eternal hearts that embodied in the powers-that-were, they already know the eternal hearts are there. They were all pinged on January 21st. They knew that it was all coming on January 11th and they knew decades ago that January 11th was the start date.

Lisa: The 1-1-1.

Heather: (affirmative response) So, at this point, that’s what’s happening. That’s what’s going to happen all across the board. Like I said, the powers-that-were, those are going to be the first ones. Their embodiment will end up having or experiencing the judgment, the self judgment, that they chose with the action. So you don’t have to judge them. Which I find very interesting, because this week I just received notice about a particular ruling against the Pope and the Queen for church and state crimes.

Lisa: Yeah, the ITCC.

Heather: Okay, I haven’t read it. I just saw it, because it’s actually quite lengthy. I haven’t had time to do that. But what I find interesting is the contrast between judgment and cross judgment. The Absolute Data will come out on that as well, so I think it’s beautiful. All this data coming out and people can choose what resonates with them. So the eternal heart exercise, I’m really excited for that to come out. I’ll explain it really, really well and the people can choose, see what resonates with them if they want to play or not. When I say play, I don’t mean it in a light sense at all, in a lighthearted sense. It’s not a game; it is actually real. That’s why you have to do it with full responsibility and liability, so if you’re not going to stand there and do your own energetic accounting and you don’t have to think about it. It just happens automatically. You say “Yes, I’m in”. That’s it. It goes.

Lisa: Yeah, I can vouch for that. It goes. You made mention last week of the Akashic Records, the Eternal Records. I think that was the term you used; it may not have been. There’s been a bit of confusion. Is there any way you can clarify? We’ve talked to people on this show in the past who believe they read the Akashic Records.

Heather: Yes.

Lisa: …..and get some really interesting information out of there. Are you saying what they’re reading is the “cooked books”?

Heather: (chuckle) Well, if you don’t know there’s another set of books, right? Then you read the books that you’ve got. The other set of books, the Eternal Records or the Records of Creation is how they were termed in the UCC from last week. Those are the eternal records. Those are unaltered and yeah, the Akashic Records, the people are going to be attached to the Akashic Record and think that it imports something on their own validity. That maybe what they’re reading wasn’t real and yet they were relying on them. That’s the whole part of the process, ferreting all that data out. The Akashic Records, for those that are reading them, the Akashic Records are actually inside.

Lisa: Inside each of us.

Heather: (affirmative response)

Lisa: The Akashic Records or the Eternal Records?

Heather: Both, but the Eternal Records reside in a frequency that is Absolute Current.

Lisa: (affirmative response)

Heather: So, as far as the Eternal Records go, D always goes about this back and forth, stomping her feet about remembering. Really with any kind of data whatsoever, if you accept the data in your hand for your review, don’t accept it for what it says. You accept it for review, in your hand. Then you acknowledge it and then you discern within what is true or what isn’t. Or you say “I need more data” and you look around for any and all data that could be related or interrelated with it. Just accepting that it exists, number one, and then acknowledging it and then choosing whether to embrace it, reject it or hold it until more comes in. That’s the point we are at right now.

So the Akashic Records, people are reading them. Some of them have accepted the ability to go in and look at them, read them. Actually that’s a capacity or a human faculty or even a BE’ing faculty in Source’s universe that belongs to all. So, the Akashic Records, that they’ve been altered, that is new data. Really it’s a matter of if you were to look at something, a document for instance. Let’s say you knew the back story of a particular situation and you’re sitting there reading a document that’s issued from one of your colleagues. You know that they know the data as well, but they don’t know that you know it. They’ll write out some of that data, but then in order to spin it but not tell lies by making statements that are false, they go in and they only put in the parts to be able to paint a particular picture that they want. Yet you know that there is data that’s missing and that it’s not Absolute Data.
You know that, because you have another set of data that you’re working from. You have the fuller set of data. Well, the Akashic Records and the Eternal Records are always in everyone. Most people didn’t even realize the eternal heart part of what was going on. The end game, the insurance policy so to speak. So now that that particular data is there, people need to go within. Check it out. See what resonates. If you don’t believe it all or you don’t remember it all or you don’t know that there is an eternal heart there or you just flat out reject it, okay, that’s cool too. But it’s within you, all that data to make your decision, your own choice.
Lisa: Okay, thank you.
Chris: So, Heather, if I could re-interpret that in a slightly different fashion. One of the things we’ve all looked forward to is big day Disclosure. Are you actually saying that part of that or even all of it will be actually be this internal disclosure? The acceptance of those Eternal Records and the fact that you’ll remember them/
Heather: Well, yeah, it’s not reliant on it; it’s a part of it. Like I said, each eternal heart sets up their own triggers of remembering. It’s not the eternal hearts waking up and remembering; those are always active, those are always going. It is the embodiment waking up to the eternal hearts and embracing what’s within.
Chris: Okay. The triggers for that, is that something that’s going to be happening on an individual basis or are you expecting there to be a point where lots of people will be triggered at once?
Heather: Well, there are definitely…well, for instance look at OPPT, just December 25th, how far things have come right now. There’s a lot of people that have resonated. Then there’s, of course, those that don’t that are holding that contrast. Actually all sides are holding the contrast, right? So, there are different triggers. Now that was one trigger. Another trigger might be, for some, is actually having some relief. Get those distractions off of the table. We also have this discussion, the mortgages and all these homes. Back in the 80’s, during the Izod period, the Beamer(?) period. Everybody was searching around for money, money, money, money, money, cars, clothes, tennis clubs; just distractions all the way around. Right now, we’re going through a period where the eternal hearts are making sure all those distractions are taken away, so you can focus on what is. What is the key? It’s a matter of perception and the fastest way to go through and reconcile this is to be very aware. Go and look at the data. It’s like someone going in and spinning the raw audios of interviews that we do. They take one phrase and then they write whatever they want underneath it and say “Look, she admits to this.” Well, when people listen to the raw data, you can see clearly that she did not even state that at all. It’s kind of the same thing here. Go and look for yourself. Go and pay attention. Pay attention to the data.
So, with the big Disclosure, here’s what I can say. That is all being maneuvered right now. Even at the highest levels, all the way to, if you want to call it Heaven. All the politics and the games that you’ve seen down here, they’re played all the way to the “top”; because there is no top and there’s no bottom. It’s all the same, all the way through. So they’re trying to hold onto the power as much as they can. And yet, even at if you want to call it galactic stage, whatever resonates with you. But there’s a reason why they’ve been putting chloride in your water. There’s a reason why they’ve been doing the GMOs and having modified, synthetic products invading your bodies, chemtrails all over the place.
That really has to do with you not accessing the Akashic Records. And for one particular very small group, it’s so you won’t access the Eternal Records either. That data will all come out here very shortly. So those that aren’t here on this planet have been looking into and reviewing both of those sets of records at this point. They know the wait for the green light from Heaven. Wait for this or that. Everyone is just reconsidering the data, in all its dimensions.
Lisa: Thank you, that clarifies things for me a bit. I have some more questions that have come up in regards to CVAC’s. I just wanted to let everybody know that on American Kabuki site there is now a post called OPPT Terminology defined. It goes through all the definitions of what a CVAC is, what a CVAC system is, what a CVAC branch is. UILO is the Universal International Law Ordinance. Definitions of words that have been used and I really strongly recommend that you go and read all of those and get them very clear in your head. But one question that I’ve had repeatedly is based on a comment that came out in one of our discussions. It was, “You can draw out what you put in”, a comment along those lines. So there are people who are elderly, disabled and perhaps they have worked their entire lives. They’re finally enjoying some retirement who suddenly think now they’ve to get a job or contribute in some way in order to receive. It’s freaking them out. Do you want to comment?
Heather: I saw someone comment on…I don’t know if it was Tami or Tracy or somebody else…at this point. My comment was, similar to a contract if you go in and do a contract, one puts something in. Oh wait, that’s exactly what the corporations have been doing all this time. You put something in and they don’t. So that’s not a valid contract; that’s in one sense. However, Wow!, whoever went in and said that I said that older people, children, the disabled, have no value what so ever. What are they going to do? It just shows where their mind is; what their position is. I have some really great older friends, disabled, children; you name it, everyone has value. As far as what OPPT went in and got, in the old system, back for the people, everyone has prepaid this value essentially and it has been commandeered and stolen. So, there’s lots of value that’s there for everybody and it’s all equal. As far as what value they want to share and experience now, that’s up to them, but everyone has value.
Lisa: Can you see it in a very 3D sense? I’ve got to put in. I’ve got to work. I’ve got to contribute to the CVAC or to whatever that concept they’ve got in their head, in order to receive something?
Bob: I think, Lisa, the problem that people have is, and it’s because of the system that they’ve been brought up in. You’re not trained. You’re not taught to look at yourself as valuable. You’re not taught that you just being you as being any value. We’re taught to look at everything in a money sense or in a material sense. Success is measured by how much money is in your bank account and how many things you have. People go to school and they pursue a career based on how much money they can make. Well, that’s not them being themselves, because whenever you’re doing something doesn’t make you happy, that to me is a sign that you’re engaged in something outside of your BE’ing-ness, something that is truly you.
When you’re just truly you and whether that be somebody who likes to sit around and tell jokes all the time…that is you. Whether it’s somebody who just loves to lie around and pose and contemplate thoughts; that’s fine, that’s you. That’s what brings you joy and happiness. Because you never know what comes out of those thoughts, whatever comes out of those jokes. How many times has anyone been pulled off on the side and said “you know, that day that I saw you and you smiled at me, you have no idea what you did. I was having such a bad day.” I really don’t think that people realize the value of just being them. The fact that if anyone in the world loves you, you’re giving value to them, because they’re appreciating your energy. That’s what I think people need to start to refocus on, their intrinsic, authentic being.
Heather: I think your definition of job is also going to be changing. What I would encourage everyone to do is make sure data is getting on the table. Whatever data you come across, bring it to the table. Bring it so that everyone can see it and then make your choices; of what is job from then to job now. I love having fun and luckily everything that I’m doing now, which would be labeled a job, is actually just fun for me.
Lisa: I think everyone should be able to say that about what they do.
Chris: Heather, what I’m getting from what you’re saying about the older, retired, infirm, etc, is the value for them is already there and it always was. They won’t have to go and work. They probably got a huge amount of value from the work they’ve already done.
Heather: Yeah, that’s true. Well, look at what they did. They couldn’t take your actual physical being, so they had to make a representation. Then after that, they’ve done everything that they’ve done to control manage and maintain that being. At this point, all that being was just registered to who you were. So right now, all the stuff that was old is frozen. It’s preserved and is protected and it will be doled out here. You guys just understand; that is why I put the definitions out. People are asking “Okay, so the CVACs, when are they going to go out?” Well, the CVAC, it’s already out there. Creations Value Asset Centers is each BE’ing across the universe. It’s a CVAC and that the way it was written was specific, because that allows for any of dimension that you may encounter. Here, very shortly, is a CVAC. Now the CVAC system, it was registered as government. CVAC government and that was only for the transitionary period. It’s just a stationary, consistent system and only if you choose that. You need assistance at a moment you just…it’s similar to going in the grocery. You find you need something. You need some assistance, okay. Go in, grab what you want and come on out. The CVACs are you guys; the banks are you guys; all of us.
Chris: One of the comments that I have seen, Heather, was that we’re now under this new trust. That is absolutely not what I get from it. What I get from it is, we are the trust and we always were. Would you like to speak to that?
Heather: Yeah, you guys are the trust. Anyone that says you are under anything, you guys already know how I feel about limits. How much more limited can you be? To come out of a system that you have been under and to go into another, that does not resonate with me. I know that it’s not going to resonate with anyone else. It’s not that way. OPPT is just guarding the space. We went in and made sure we got all the BE’ing that they took, all the DO’ing that they took from everyone. We’ve got it and it’s going to be doled back out to each of the BE’ings. Then as far as going in and what do you do at this point? BE’ing and DO’ing is really all you have to consider. Everything else is already done.
Lisa: I can see from the chat room there are some people that completely understand what you are saying and others not all. That’s cool. Everyone is going to get it in their own way.
Heather: The old system did a very good job at hiding what IS. They did an excellent job.
Chris: If you look at the language that I posed that question in, that we’re under something, that’s simply the program that we‘ve been running under that has trained us to believe that we always have to be under something. There always must be something above us, because we are just a small cog in the wheel. It’s just a perspective shift that is required to bring it to the right point.
Heather: Well. Yeah. Everyone is afraid that they’re bonded in the UCC system. The UCC system, yes, you were bonded. You were like cattle in the UCC system. It’s no longer that way. You aren’t even a part of the UCC system. Right now, all that’s being held is that old value, so that you can just go and BE. Nobody is in that system, except for what’s being held that was taken. But not the BE’ing itself, the BE’ing itself is now free from that system. As far as bonding into a CVAC or anything else, you are the CVAC. There’s no bonding into the CVAC. The CVAC system and the bonds that we’re talking about are if I wanted to go in and be of assistance, be of public service. I need to bond myself that I’m going to go in and that I’m going to do the job. If I damage anyone, I’m totally responsible. I’m responsible for what I DO and you already are. So, this is really just a transition tool anyway and nobody has to be part of a CVAC system.
Tracy Smith brought up the Sunke Temple Trust and people may resonate with that. Our job is just to make sure all that data comes out. People do know about not just Sunke Temple Trust but also the St. Germain Trust and all these other possibilities. Bring all the Absolute Data on the table. I’m not attached to any of them. I’m just attached to making sure you have all that data, to be exposed to it and then for you to have the opportunity and free will choice to decide what resonates with you. Then just BE and DO as you choose. Does that make sense?
Lisa: Yeah, it does. Again, I’m still getting the same sort of questions. People don’t understand. They want to know what it’s going to look like in 3D. They want to know what they’re going to have in their hand and how they’re going to get it in order to pay for goods and services. They just want to know what it’s going to look like in their hand.
Heather: Okay, so everyone’s got their own level of understanding. Those that understand energy don’t need any representation. They use the prime energy source. For those that still don’t understand and don’t know what the actual energy, or what the actual value is I should say, then that representation will be available to assist them, as well as the systems of education or anything else. Data, just data, will be brought out and they can grow with it. Yes, some people need those representations just to get over that hurdle or to trigger a further data search. They’ll have their representations and that’s what the CVAC systems actually provide for everyone, is that that treasury. They’ll have the treasury and they’ll be able to go in. They can use the 3D; it will start off with 3D and then it will introduce higher forms of technology. As far as any other system, that’s all systems to assist only when the CVAC chooses that they want that assistance. The treasury needs to get that old value back out to everyone.
Chris: Heather, I think what people are concerned about is where the link will be made into the treasury and what that will look like. Will it be a web based system, for instance, for withdrawing value so that they can converted into something that they’re comfortable with, which in most people’s case will be currency, as a transition?
Heather: Right now, most people are using digital currency. In fact, even the paper money is digital currency. The paper money is just digital currency and that’s how all of the accounting is done. They haven’t printed any dollars, actual paper, in a long time and the paper that they did cut actually went and is being held. The people that it was paid off to are not able to use that or put it back into the markets. They’re just having it in a vault and can only stare at it. So as far as the paper money, it’s just a representation of the actual digital. So if that’s what people need to have a mirrored system on, then fine. 
Chris: One of the triggers for people responding negatively to the idea of going over to such an all-encompassing system as the CVAC system, is the idea that they think they’re going to have a one world currency. A one world digital currency imposed on them, because they’ve been whacked about the head with the idea of the New World Order doing that. They get very concerned that cash is going to disappear completely out of the system immediately. I don’t see that as happening, I see it as there being a period of months or years where the old and the new are running alongside one another and the more than hundred currencies that use cash still will dwindle down as nations turn into communities. Eventually we’ll be left still with a digital system, but there will be currencies alongside it for people who want to play around with pieces of paper. Would that be an accurate picture of the transformation? I have to say my end point is a cashless society beyond that at some point.
Heather: It will be Prime Value. It will be the Prime Value. For instance, when I go to Europe, if I’m an America and I go to Europe. I don’t take American bills with me. I go and order up some Euros. If I pull out from an ATM, I know I’m going to get cooked on both sides and I’m talking old paradigm here. Representations of value, or value, is what is agreed upon between two or more parties. Whatever one party is willing to give and another party is willing to accept. So value, you can have coins. You can have paper. Just to be clear, current funds, that is essentially what all was shut down, the currencies were shut down. So if the people want to have a currency, I know that a lot of people enjoy minting their own coins. At the end of the day, it’s still put against their accounting.  That’s the important part. Whatever representation they want is fine. Just make sure that the representations that you are cutting or using are accounted for. That’s the transparency that needs to happen. There is no transparency right now in any banking.
Chris: Sure. Whether it ends up being a piece of paper that people exchange or a coin that people exchange or just a digital thing they exchange from one account to another, it’s still got to be accounted for transparently. That’s the whole point of having a transparent treasury. There’s a lot of people jumping to conclusions about bits and pieces they’re hearing. It’s time to kind of feed them as big a picture as possible, so they don’t jump to the conclusion that a switch will be flicked and all of a sudden the only thing that will be out there is digital currency. I just don’t see it happening that way. 
Heather: Well, if you look at the systems that are out there right now. You take those systems, for me just as a regular person, knowing what the banks do behind the scenes, behind their screens and everything else. To take that system and say okay, we’re going to use this system. I’m going to sit there and wonder how many people have back doors and how many people have hidden holes or hidden pockets in that digital system. If someone created that system, did they have a key and who did they pass that key out to? 
(Several talking at once)
Chris: I think it’s actually a simpler problem there, Heather. In fact, the people who fear the New World Order paradigm fear this, if there is a digital only system that can only be accessed by card through their technology, they can chop you off at any time and leave you completely without any resources whatsoever as a control mechanism. That’s the fear point. I don’t for a minute think that would ever happen, or could ever happen, in the transparency of what you are proposing, what the trustees have put forward to us in the CVAC. The peoples’ desire to still have representations of pieces of paper is simply impendent of anything electronic. I think it’s that basic a problem.
Heather: The old system has a digital system which would do that and they have done that.
Chris: I know. I know they chop people off all the time…
Heather: In the great depression, they did it. We’ve seen it in many cycles about every 10 to 15 years after that. We’ve seen them do that. I get that. That’s why I say that anything that is there needs to be fully owned by the People. It needs to be transparent and whoever is managing it, in whatever form or fashion, they have to be held liable. If you have transparency and the whole system is owned by the People equally at the time and they have that standing registered, then at that point it’s just a matter of the manager, right?  Is the manager going to go and shut it off? Well, if the manager is going to go and shut it, off you fire him.
Chris: That’s it. One of the problems that I’m having this discussion with people is that I’m dealing almost entirely with people who haven’t actually read the filings and don’t see in it the transparency and the specifications for that absolute responsibility of management.
Lisa: I also see that people are seeing confusion between the infrastructure and the owners. Meaning the infrastructure is there in terms of bank branches, ATMs, the computer network. Then there are the banks that currently control all of that. They’re two separate entities in a way. When the people are involved in that, then it’s a different ball game.
Bob: Can I say something?
Brian: Here’s the thing too. Really what it boils down to is, right now everybody is talking about when they get their money. It’s totally understandable for all of the people that are in such bad situations and need the cash. We’ve talked about it on so many calls before. What people want is to go to the grocery store. They want to go out and be able to get things that they need. Right now it’s money that requires that. But if there’s a time in the future where people can go out and fill their tank with gas, get groceries or they can go on a trip to Timbuktu or Honolulu, they have the ability to do that. So getting hung up on whether or not it takes dollars and cents or gold and silver out of your pocket is beside the point. If people have the ability to go out and do what they want to do when they want to do it, which is the definition of abundance, to be able to do what you want to do when you want to do it.
Bob: I’m sorry. I’m getting a whole different picture. I understand what everybody is saying. But when I look at this, I see all of the dimensions coming together. Just follow me for a second. Any of you who watch Star Trek, we’re all talking about how we are going to pay for this? How are we going to pay for that? What if one of the things that you don’t know is that everybody may have a replicator machine installed in their home?  Now with that replication machine, it will directly change energy into whatever you want. You can go and say “I want a cup of coffee.” There it is. Then how irrelevant does the discussion about money occur? Then everybody is going to wonder who is going to have access to the replication machines? How can I get one? How do we make sure that everybody has one? Well, let’s go a step further. Let’s say you don’t need the replication machine and you can just do it yourself. 
One of the things I noticed in the filings is that, especially the last filings, the manuals for all creation shall be given and the guidance to use them. This is one of the things, and I’m looking and maybe I’m thinking way too big, but I’m looking at a period of time in the very near future where all of this becomes really irrelevant.
Heather: Well, that’s exactly it, Bob. The people that Lisa was asking me to answer, they’re not there. They’re not interested in that right now, because that’s not part of their reality. They don’t have that data. That data will be coming and yes, OPPT made preparations for it. We’ve also made preparations for the respect and the honor of other BE’ing, which everyone will have data on and experience with. They‘ve been prepped by the powers-that-were so that they would be rejected and feared. So at this point you are reading, I don’t think that you are thinking too big, Bob. I think that you can keep going.  (laughing)
Chris: I see that as the destination. Every time I talk to people about this, I’m trying to emphasize we’re going through a transformation and here is where we’re starting from.  A lot of the questions being generated are from this starting position right here. I’m looking right now at my situation, how do I solve all of my problems? I completely understand that. We’re going to go through a transformation and the end point, or even the beginning point, will be what Bob talks about, where the new types of technology do kick in. Now, that’s just not on the desk at the moment.  e still have to look forward to that point, because that’s where I want to be. 
Lisa: Are we up to taking some calls? Because we’ve got a few people on the line and they’ve all got their hand up and there is quite a few of them.
Bob: Yes, let’s.
Brian: Sure
Lisa: We should have Ron VanDyke, Hi, Ron. Thanks for hanging around for so long.
Ron Van Dyke: (laughs) Thank you, Lisa. It’s a very interesting discussion. I’m really encouraged. Every time I listen to these discussions, I’m uplifted. In the beginning, we were talking about the Courtesy Notices. I’m ready to distribute 14 of them tomorrow to four judges, six bank executives, clerk of court and two attorneys. I’ve got it all. I haven’t printed them all out yet, but I have them ready to go. Now, I have to look at the new thing to see what I have to modify. 
Chris: Ron, if you’re just working off of paper, you’re just using their paper responses to you as the trigger. These notices are for a response on paper?
(Chris and Ron talking over each other)
Ron Van Dyke: Yeah, pretty much. The bank sent me a notice that the week before Christmas, that I had to vacate my house basically, or they were going to force me out. There has never been a foreclosure. There was never a mortgage on my property. I’ve been fighting this in the courts since 2005 and it’s now in federal court. Federal court is trying to dismiss it for technicalities rather than the meat of the issue of following the Constitution and following my right to a trial by jury, which they’ve always denied me. They’ve never even given me a hearing, let alone a trial.
(Several talking at once)
Chris: What I was going to say was, the Courtesy Notice, the first one we put out was focused on paper. If you’re responding to paper, it’s fine. You shouldn’t have to change what you’re doing. I would just move forward on it. All that will happen is that the ones you are adding to it will simply give more scope to send it to more people. With absolute justification in what you are doing.
Ron Van Dyke: Another question that I had that I wanted to get an answer to now that I have you on the phone. Other people may have the same question. The paper that was served to me came from a particular bank. I have the reference number. I actually used the federal case as my reference number, because I’m also attaching the federal court to the whole process the federal court filing.
Chris: Just remember, Ron, that you’re dealing individual to individual. When the Courtesy Notice hits their desk, what they need is clarity on the matter you’re bringing to them. So, just be careful when you’re providing them with a reference to a piece of paper that person has sent you that it’s as accurate as possible in pointing them at the problem that you found with them and their dealings with you. It’s always seen as a personal, one-on-one thing we’re trying to achieve. 
Ron Van Dyke: Yes, I fully understand that. It says “hereafter respondent” I put a footnote or an end note actually, in saying “the respondent is the living the private individual, not the corporation”. I had to clarify that in the document so that and of course the respondent is going to have the persons’ name, individual names, who happened to be working for alleged corporations that are now closed.
Chris: The way you’ve done that, yes, you could do it, but you’re really mixing the old system and the new. Don’t forget that all of those concepts are gone now, the straw man, real man concept. There’s only us left on the planet operating as real people, real individuals. Probably not necessary to do that, I don’t think that it will get in the way and it might bring us some clarification, but it’s probably not necessary because it’s a previous system concept. 
Lisa: It also states, doesn’t it “Herein referred to as Respondent” and you’ve got the individual name there? Heather also said to make a note for the reference number
(talking over)
Ron Van Dyke: The thing is, you see, I don’t have the individual’s name, Lisa. I have that I received it from an alleged bank and then I put “private individual named above” in the respondent box up at the top. The individual names will be printed of the parties in the action. 
Chris: That’s probably sufficient. It just needs to be clear. Heather has just pointed out you could put on “alleged case number”. When you put the case number in there, you could and probably should put “alleged case number”. Because everything is alleged, it’s true fiction at this point. What I’m saying is that I think it will be fine.
Ron Van Dyke: Whenever I have referred to bank or corporation, I always say alleged, but I didn’t do that for the case number. 
Chris: Look, it hadn’t occurred to Scott and I, but something we’ll be sticking in there from now on. It’s all alleged; everything is alleged.
(Several talking at once)
Heather: Alleged or reported when they send you a document. The way that I aleays choose to deal with it and it’s whatever resonates within. If something comes before me and it just says “I’m bank ABC”. Well, that’s all I’ve got before me, I don’t have a person. I don’t have an individual’s name, just bank ABC. I send it back and say “Thank you so much, but I reject this for lack of identification. I don’t even know who I’m talking to.”  So when you’re ready to talk here are the terms and conditions, send me your full identification. Give me a name and contact address. If they’re sending you ABC, that’s all you can respond to at that point, right? 
Ron Van Dyke: Right, except I’ve looked up the names of all of the top actors in the corporation or in the bank. Those are the ones that are actually named in my law suit. I’m basically resolving the law suit with the Courtesy Notice. I’m giving them one action that they don’t have to accept my terms and conditions. That action is to absolve me, to cease and desist, give me notification in writing that they’re all ceasing and desisting any actions against me. That’s the action that they can take against me that doesn’t require anything back from them. But any other action is unacceptable and the terms and conditions apply. 
Lisa: Absolutely
Chris: That’s exactly right, exactly right. That’s great, Ron. How many people is that going out to?
Ron Van Dyke: 14, two federal judges, two circuit judges, six officers of the bank in question, the clerk of the court and two attorneys that were representing the bank.
Heather: Have fun with it.
Chris: Yeah, have fun. I was just going to point out this, and you heard this earlier in the day, what you’re doing is a classic case where if they come back and they deal with you in a fashion that’s unsatisfactory to you, that we can actually enlist the support of the people to send their own Courtesy Notices for damaging their own personal measurable energy by the steps they have taken against you. So, those 13 people make sure you are in a position to quickly publish all of the details on the website page that Brian is setting up, so they can receive tens and thousands of Courtesy Notices if they don’t behave as they should. 
Brian: By the way. Chris, just a quick announcement. We have the flashmob posts for Patrick Cody Morgan up on the website ready to go. The Courtesy Notice that you put together already has a lot of the information filled in for alleged Judge Lynn Nettleton Hughes. All of his phone numbers, fax numbers and email addresses to him and everybody else in his courthouse are all there; so it’s ready to go. If you want to support an innocent man who was charged 27 years behind bars in federal prison, now is the time to act. Go ahead and go to the blog and lets’ have some fun with it.        
Ron Van Dyke: I hope people around the world jump on this, because somebody wrote me an email today and said “I can’t believe you’re falling for another scam. First you were pushing NESARA, then you were pushing RUSA, and now you’re pushing the OPPT.” They sent me a link to Above Top Secret or something, look at this. Of course, when I clicked the link, it’s one of those disinformation sites as far as I can tell. I didn’t read a whole about it, but they said we’re the ones that you’re waiting for. You keep expecting somebody else to do it for you. I thought this IS US doing it (laughs). Because Heather did it that means it’s not us doing it? Because somebody else is involved and it’s not us? It IS us; this is all US.
Lisa: This is the one thing we’ve been presented with in the last couple of years, so it actually doesn’t fall into the failure meme. (Several people laughing and talking over each other) It’s the only thing.
(Several people talking)
Chris: I just want to put in a footnote here, Ron. There’s an energy that I’ve been having lots of conversations with who’s looking at, based on what Heather said about the Akashic, I’ll have to ask him whether his personal Akashic or the Creation Records. However, he’s seeing that the Courtesy Notices are so energetic, he can actually almost physically track them and identify them as individual items when he looks at the energy fields surrounding everything that’s going on with the OPPT, to the point where he can actually count them. That’s how powerful this message is that we’re sending into the system. Which is one of the reasons why we decided to expand out as much as possible, so as many people as possible can respond to cases like yours. Because the people who receive them will get this massive energetic dose from the people that their behaviors needs to be corrected. Please, folks, when you’re listening to this, don’t underestimate the energetic effects of what you’re doing. It’s actually absolute key to what’s going on in all the underlying processes.
Lisa: You just reminded me. A guy in Sydney by the name of Mick, hello if you’re listening, organized the first Sydney OPPT meet-up the other day and I went. He had a box of cards, like business cards that he’s printed out, talking about OPPT and he leaves them lying around everywhere. I hope you don’t mind me telling people this, but he’s leaving them on the bus seats and train seats and things like that. When someone comes along and sits on it, (laughs) he gets a little chuckle and he thinks to himself “Great, that energy’s just gone straight up your butt” (laughing). Like we talked about yesterday, people are leaving Courtesy Notices around the place; cafes, up on bulletin boards, just leaving them on tables and that energy’s getting out there which is just wonderful.
Ron Van Dyke: Yeah, the energy these shed is palpable. People that are really paying attention can’t help but feel the surge that’s coming through. We’re getting in touch with parts of ourselves. We’re going through a spiritual transformation. A lot of people are looking at the money and other aspects of it, but the spiritual transformation. That’s the really big thing that’s happening, at least from my perspective and some of my friends and people that I connect with around the world on my blogs and stuff like that. It’s just amazing the energetic healing that people have of connecting to something that is bigger than all of us and yet it IS us.
Chris: I’ll just share this with you too. I just got a message from Captain Deryl, the Canadian gentleman, who’s been talking out, speaking out as an ex-member of the military on his terms. He’s just skyped me and I’ll read it out, “The Courtesy Notice I handed out was like holy water on vampires”.
(Multiple people chuckling)
Chris: Thanks, Deryl. Really appreciate that. Deryl’s been very, very effective in something he’s caught up with at the moment. I believe being an ex-member of the military, he’s quite forthright. He was having a conversation with a sheriff about what he felt the sheriff’s behavior that needed to be corrected. He says “If you don’t do this, I’ll arrest you, okay? There’s no two ways about it.” I’m hoping that down the track when the military, ex-military, whoever are willing to actually get involved with this, that that’s the kind of support we actually get. We won’t get that for some time, that’s my belief, but from our discussions with Deryl, there’s a lot of military people watching this and they’re on our side. Down the track, we’ll get the benefits of the work we’re doing now by standing up as One. One thing he did say to me was they’re waiting for us to stand up.
(Multiple people talking)
Ron Van Dyke: May I ask another question?
Lisa: Yeah, I was just going to say I’ll leave your mike open, but we’ve got a lot of people to get to, so one quick one.
Ron Van Dyke: A quick question is that people have been telling me that Heather is connected to the Rothchilds. I’d like Heather to address that, if she’s still on?
Heather: (laughs) Yeah, I’m here. I’m laughing because I’m like the last person they even want connected to their name. No, I’m not connected to the Rothchilds. However I have been to the Rothchilds’ offices, Caleb and I both, London and Zurich. I do have former experiences with people that do work with Rothchilds. But as far as the Rothchilds, there was one gentleman, and we always had a guy in between, but there was one gentleman within the Rothchilds that basically would send over, using other peoples emails, certain documents. I’d be on a conversation on a phone and within 10 minutes, I’d have an email from nowhere basically say “Okay, Heather, go do this.” So like when I got arrested and supposedly charged with, what was it, something about an officer. The information from him was to go to the attorney general and have the attorney general verify, do a certified opinion, that that particular statute that they were charging me under was constitutional. The AG never does that, because then they admit to the fraud. They set a paper trail, usually cases go away. Well, that was one thing.
Or like the deeds of trust pointing out that the deeds of trust, look at them. Look at the UCC, and the deeds of trust paragraph basically a cut and paste of the UCC, especially the liens, landlord/tenant, gift, and purchase. They were helpful in just pointing the direction of where to go look for things, but it was totally up to the trustees to go and vet the information, work it through, go and double-check it, go and triple-check it, and then go and check it some more. But there were people all through the system. Saylin’s Law firm, one of the top lawyers for HSBC, there was a lot of people inside the system that want to get out of the hostage situation or the slavery system themselves. So for the people to think the people inside the systems are creating this New World Order, they actually want out. It’s the highest level of the system, the principals, those are the ones, and no, I don’t interact with those guys.
Bob: Just so people understand, some of the best intel we get comes from within the system. We’ve spoken to lots of different people, who were ex CIA or military or still working within those confines. There is lots of people inside and outside of the system that are all working towards the same goal. I think people like to put everybody in a box and I hate when people do it to me. So please don’t do that to any eternal heart, because everyone is responsible for making their own choices. You can’t lump people into a category and say “Well, this person’s a lawyer and that one’s Jewish and I heard their grandmother say this word.”
Heather: Did I answer your question to the Rothchilds?
Lisa: Yeah, I think so, absolutely.
Heather: Okay.
Ron Van Dyke: Thank you.
Brian: I’m so relieved that got put out there.
Lisa: Apparently the chat room’s going crazy, people dropping off and logging out and logging in and losing sound.
Chris: I think we’ve lost the stream to a degree. I’m getting a couple messages here saying they lost sound, so these are people listening elsewhere.
Lisa: Refresh if you have to, but it should come back. We’re still online; we’re still live so just refresh. So, are we back online? Can somebody send me a Skype message?
Chris: Yeah, I’ve just got a couple in. I’ll just tell you what happens.
(talk over)
Lisa: Because we’re still connected to Blogtalk.
Bob: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, one’s back on.
Chris: One successfully got back on, yes, so one’s rebooting. We’ll see how that goes. So I think people are getting back on. What about the chat room? Has anyone messaged from there?
Bob: Yeah. They’re saying in the chat room they can hear us.
Lisa: Okay, great. We mentioned a dirty word.
Chris: Can I ask Heather another silly question?
Lisa: She’s not there at the moment. She said she’ll be right back.
Chris: Oh, okay.
Lisa: But I just want to go move on and bring out another caller.
Chris: Yep.
Lisa: Area code 661.
Brian: That sounds like a Skype call.
Lisa: Area code 661?
Caller: I don’t know what my area code is, but I’ve been on…
Lisa: That’s you.
Caller: I’ll take it!
Lisa: What was your name?
Caller: My name is Shayna.
Brian: Hi, Shayna.
Shayna (caller): Hi. First, I just want to tell you all, love you so much. I just send you out loving intentional thoughts every day and to the world. Just have a question that has been nagging at me. I’ve a lot of family members that are very Christian and they’re looking at this as, almost on the lines of this is the New World Order that is to be avoided. I had hoped Heather would be on the line to address this because I was wondering. She talks about getting all of the data on the table, the Absolute Data. I’m wondering is there going to be a time where people will know? Because when I was thinking about this show, a lot of Christians and Muslims and different ethnic groups that are very ingrained and indoctrinated by their religions. How are they going to be able to come around to the acceptance of this? Is there going to be that energy coming from Creator that is going to help to open their minds and their hearts?
Lisa: My personal answer is yeah, that’s what I think. That this awakening is happening inside each and every one of us and “truth”, whatever that is, will come to each of us. If it means breaking outside of a religious program, then that’s what’ll happen. I’d like to hear from everybody else. Is Heather back with us?
Heather: Yeah, I’m here.
Lisa: Okay, what’s your thoughts?
Heather: I reiterate what Lisa said and just say “Be open. Have no expectations” and definitely you can either set your intention to be attached to that or not. And that includes the data that you currently hold.
Lisa: So, we talked about trigger points before, and there’s been a lot of trigger points over the last 12, 13 years for different people. You know 911 was a huge trigger, for example. The Pope resigning, and whatever happens next, the Catholic church may be a trigger for a great deal of Catholics and Christians.
Heather: Yeah, look at all the questioning that’s been going on just because of the Pope resigning. Then it goes into further “Okay, why did the Pope resign” and then all of a sudden you’re looking at information from the ITTC, the court and what they did. Then you have also the banking scandals. Just the fact that the Vatican is getting so much light right now that they don’t know what to do about it. It’s just data coming out. My grandmother is so attached to the Catholic church and very attached to the Pope, doesn’t matter who the guy is wearing the hat. Just the symbol of what the Pope is for her, even with the sex scandals and the abuse scandals that came out, I just could not reconcile her way of thinking, but then again that’s her way of thinking. I just love the contrast. It really made things easier for me, for my own choices.
Shayna (caller): Now that resonates with me too. That’s why, as you’ve said, just trying to wrap your head around how anyone could continue to support the system that has done so much harm. All I do is, myself personally, is just throw love at it and say “It’s not really mine to understand or to change it. Just keep going my direction the way I need to and sending out that love”. So just hearing from you helped me because it resonates with the way I feel.
Brian: Think about it this way too. As an example, it’ll illustrate this. Let’s say you have somebody that believes the human species are the only beings in the universe. They say “Well, there’s no extraterrestrials or there’s nobody else, it’s just us”, and that’s their belief. It’s ingrained very deep within them. All of a sudden a ship comes down and lands and brothers and sisters from the stars walk out of it. They’re put in a place where they couldn’t possibly say “We’re the only ones” anymore, because they have the proof that’s right in front of their face. So at one point or another, there’s going to be an experience that allows people to recalibrate their beliefs based on everything they see in front of their face, because all the data is now put on the table. Now, they have the ability to really go inside and say “Okay, maybe the time has come for me rethink this whole thing”.
Lisa: Yeah, Brian. I agree with you on one point, but at the same time, depending on how invested they are in that belief system, they can absolutely deny what they just saw in front of them and say “These are visions from the devil”.
Brian: (laughs)
Chris: Was just going to say there’s one aspect that I’ve talked to a couple of quite religious people about this. When I say religious, these are people that are very connected to certain faiths. What I find is useful for them to think about is that most people are becoming aware that their churches have problems with corruption. This is the churches. I just want the point out to them, the church is not your beliefs. Your beliefs are your beliefs. Separate the two things. You’ve got an attachment to the church and if you treat it as a thing, you can lose that attachment without losing your beliefs that there is a Creator and whatever else you want to associate with that belief. You can lose the church as a thing much more easily than you can lose your beliefs. If they’re worried about that aspect of this situation, that someone’s going to try and take this away from them, just ask them in their minds to make that distinction between that building over there, and what they believe about our whole reality. That tends to make them less nervous about it, because most of them do understand it’s their beliefs that are the important thing to them.
Shayna (caller): I agree. Thank you, farewell.
Lisa: Thank you, Shayna. Thank you for your call. We’re just going to move on to the next caller. Thank you. 817 area code.
Caller: Hello?
Lisa: Hello 817!
Caller: Hi, hey guys.
Lisa: Hey, now people if you’re having issues and the audio keeps dropping out, there’s not much we can do at this end because we’re still connected. So please just go back and listen to the archive after we get off the line. Sorry, what was your name?
Caller: My name’s Emmanuel.
Lisa: Emmanuel.
Emmanuel (caller): Yes. Hello.
Lisa: Hello.
Emmanuel (caller): So, I’m already, I guess, “sold”. I’ve seen enough (mumbled) … OPPT. I’m starting to take some action myself, trying to get organized (inaudible) here in Texas. But I had one question. I’m just curious, what’s happening behind the scenes with you guys? I guess the direction of this question is more toward Brian. Brian?
Brian: I’m here.
Emmanuel (caller): Okay I know you’ve made some reference toward David Wilcock’s “Financial Tyranny”,
Brian: (affirmative response)
Emmanuel (caller): I’ve read that myself and it was a very good report. I guess, just wondering, have you spoken with David? Or sent him anything about this? Because he’s making some headway from what I’ve seen on his website, getting that show, or that report shown as a TV show in Russia on prime-time hours. So it’s kinda big.
Brian: Me personally? No, I’ve never spoken to David. I follow David’s work. I think he puts out amazing information. He’s just another of one of the dots that connects to the bigger picture. There’s a lot of people who follow him,and look for his postings for updates on info. If you’re asking me if I’ve talked with David Wilcock, no I haven’t actually spoken with him.
Emmanuel (caller): Okay, well, I know you guys are getting the word out and everything on radios, but I’ve been on his website. It’s causing just a little bit of doubt on people who do follow him very closely. Like why is…
Lisa: You mean the fact that he hasn’t even mentioned OPPT? Is that what you’re referring to?
Emmanuel (caller): Um, sorry?
Lisa: Are you referring to the fact that he hasn’t addressed OPPT? That he hasn’t talked about it?
Emmanuel (caller): Yes, yeah. Exactly.
Lisa: Right.
Brian: Well, we have no control over that. I think David’s very careful about what he puts out, because he backed up Drake. A lot of the stuff that Drake said that was going to happen, time periods came and went and there’s nothing visible for people to see. But, we try not to get too caught up into whether or not people doubt this or not. It’s not our job to go out and convince people of anything. That’s something that we’ve tried to make very clear from the very beginning is. We’ll put the information out and we’ll give something to the people to research and do their homework. If it resonates with them, great. If it doesn’t, that’s totally okay too. Sooner or later, everybody will come around, but they have to be able to do it on their own time and at their own speed and comfort level.
Emmanuel (caller): Okay. Alright, thank you very much.
Brian: Thanks for calling man!
Lisa: Thanks! Okay, we have 612. 612 area code.
Caller: Hello. It’s Elizabeth, Lisa. How are you?
Lisa: I’m very well, Elizabeth, how are you?
Elizabeth (caller): Good. I have a couple of dots to connect. Okay, first of all, I just want to say “Thank you” to every single person. A special thanks to all the speakers that are on right now, but everybody that’s on this phone. I just want to send gratitude to you and me and all of us, that we are just BE’ing. Be yourself and take the masks off the costumes. Just be yourself. That’s important before DO’ing. Just BE. Anyway, Lisa and Heather, you talked about, Lisa, your testimony about that, I call it the declaration of freedom, or the declaration of our sovereignty, that Heather, I believe, wrote. What is the title of that? Lisa or Heather, that came out last week.?
Lisa: That last document?
Elizabeth (caller): Yeah.
Lisa: What was the title of that Heather?
Elizabeth (caller): The decla…
Heather: There is no declaration of sovereignty. I don’t use the word sovereignty.
Bob: I think she’s talking about the “declaration of satisfaction”.
Elizabeth (caller): There it is.
Heather: Oh, okay the “Declaration of Satisfaction”.
Elizabeth (caller): Yeah, Lisa was talking about her testimony earlier that she read it and she felt more free’er, or whatever. My testimony is after Lisa described it a little bit more, when point by point through it last week. I went and read it out loud, and I encourage everybody to read it out loud, because words are powerful. Ever since I read it out loud twice, oh my god, I feel so free. I can just see it and BE it now. Then I just want to say I think right before I stumbled onto OPPT, not by accident, it was right at the beginning, but American Kabuki and all that, I think it was right before that was when it started. I had this lucid dream and they guy that did the CVAC visualization, well kinda, go with this. This lucid dream and I was outside, I looked up in the sky and there were tons, I thought they were spaceships. But now I know what they were, they were CVACs! They were tons of lucid bubbles. Kind of looked like spaceship shape, but those were the CVACs. I said “Oh my god!” and I looked up in surprise “Oh my god, how many of these are there?” It was awesome. They were way up in the sky.
Then regarding the Akashic Records, I put two points together tonight. Heather, I know you guys talked about the other night too, that there are a like a pure set of Akashic, or second set, of Akashic Records. Way back when this all started, OPPT, we did a Seven Series called “Wake up Shift is Happening” on the intention of raising our chakras with Deb, I don’t remember her name. But anyway, one of those calls, it was on American Kabuki advertisement, do you remember, Brian? On one of those calls, a set of sisters from Canada came on and they go onto the Akashic Records all the time. But anyway, within that week or so, they went in and elders told them, there’s this prayer they say to get into the Akashic Records. They went in and the elders told them, now they changed a few little words in this prayer. The elders told them of the Akashic Records, that this is the new paradigm shift prayer to enter into the Akashic Records. So that goes with what Heather says about this. If I could give that blog page, can I do that?
Lisa: Yeah, sure.
Elizabeth (caller): Okay, it’s called the…
Heather: I (inaudible) remember it…
Elizabeth (caller): Okay, it’s called “”. So, thank you guys. One more thing, Lisa, I got to the chat room last night, but I can’t find the link to the chat room tonight. Where can we find the link to the chat room for Monday call and Tuesday’s call please?
Lisa: Well, our Monday’s call you go to Freedom Reigns dot US and there’s the chat room there, but for Tuesday’s call, it should be right there on the Blogtalk page if you just scroll down.
Elizabeth (caller): Yeah, I did that.
Lisa: It’ll refresh the page; it should be there.
Elizabeth (caller): What does it look like?
Lisa: It just looks like the same, very much the same as the chat room you’d find on Freedom Reigns.
Elizabeth (caller): Yeah, I can’t find it anywhere. It’s weird. Maybe I’m looking wrong. But anyway, thank you so much, I got all my BE’ings out tonight. So thank you guys, love you all!
Lisa: Thanks, Elizabeth. Okay, area code 970.
Caller: Hello?
Lisa: Hello! What was your name?
Caller: Oh hello, hi, how are you guys?
Lisa: We’re good. What’s your name, sorry?
Katie (caller): Oh, it’s Katie.
Lisa: Katie, okay, yes.
Katie (caller): Hi. Okay, so about the CVACs, I’m glad that Heather’s here. I’ve sent you a couple of emails. So my partner and I are on a farm (Lisa inaudible talkover). I’m sorry?
Lisa: Are you Katie that called in yesterday very excited?
Katie (caller): Oh, yeah, a little bit of stage fright, yeah and a little bit of discombobulation for a variety of other reasons. So hopefully we can continue. My partner and I we’re on a farm, like out in the middle of the country. A lot of us, we’re here to create the new world, right? We’re here to create new ways of being and really like get going. I was on the whole OPPTbook and there were a couple other people who had a bunch of other ideas, so for us it’s the farm, right? So we’re on this farm and there’s six of us here. We all are scrambling to pay rent and all this other stuff. Now, Ethan and I, we’ve been following this. The last couple of years of our lives have been quite a rollercoaster with this whole shift. We’ve changed a lot and we’re not attached to anything. Really it seems like I’ve been waiting for this for so long now.
Waiting a little bit longer wouldn’t be that big of a deal, but there’s our roommates. They’re very stuck in the old paradigm of like “Oh, we gotta pay rent. We’re trying to do this farm.” It’s the white man’s version or just the general (inaudible) in general. I keep going over, if we could just not pay rent and really just focus our energy on the farm. We’re on 30 acres. We’re all renting it right now. Talking to the owner and being clear. Yes, I do share this information with them, but it doesn’t really quite register. Because they’re like “Well, yeah, but”. Also in time I recognize that maybe once we start to see something, like actually start to see the value or that we are that value. I can’t seem to make the jump between here we are in this world where we all have money issues at some point. We’re all jumping at the bit here to get some action and to do things. I don’t even know if it’s time yet to clarify what is possible, what is wanting to happen. Heather, you said on the Mel Ve interview how the gold will be showing up as visible on the street and full transparency. The only thing that I could think of is that would be us humans, as we ourselves are the value. So, I don’t know if anyone can clarify that?
Lisa: Katie, I’m not really sure what the question is here? Sorry.
Katie (caller): It’s okay. So the question is how are we going to jump from…so paying rent, how do we not pay rent? Do we talk to the owner? How do we explain to the owner that we would rather instead of paying rent, that we would rather invest our own time and energy and other finances, whatever we have, into the farm instead of struggling just to make bills?
Lisa: Anyone want to jump in at this point? I know what you’re saying here, darling. Does anyone want to jump in? 
Heather: Yeah, okay, so you’re really resonating with the actual value for value, (inaudible) to Prime. Not the representation, not the billing and all that. What I can tell you is this, there is technology that’s out there. In fact, we were going to bring it to Morocco back in ’08 and USA jumped in and basically buried everything. This is where tomatoes grow to the size of melons and they have thousand times more nutrients than what is already out there. Or the technology that allows you to deserts back into forests. This kind of technology and that’s just nothing as far as what’s in the barrel, so to speak. But, these are things that people who resonate with the land and want to work the land and want to work with the land, you’ll end up having so much different technologies to look at and decide what you want to do, how you want to co-create.
So, as far as the abundance part goes, where you don’t have to pay rent, you don’t have to do this. It’s not so much you don’t have to, it’s just a matter of value for value. You’re going to have that value, that abundance, which you already have. It’s just a matter of actually now transferring that value over to here, so that you can help that farmer who supposedly has to pay a mortgage. Yet that farmer is going to be receiving data in a way that is triggered for him, which he set up, to where he finally understands “Wait a minute. I don’t have a debt, because they can’t even show me they made a loan.”
Everyone’s got their own triggers. Do you see how they’re interrelated though? Your landlord is going to end up with data. You’re going to end up with data. All of a sudden everyone’s going to see how it’s all interconnected and how you’re able to live and co-create. All of a sudden, your job isn’t a job and the shackles are gone. Really it’s just a matter of getting that value in, right? Is that what you’re asking? When you’re going to have the value?
Katie (caller): Yeah.
Heather: The CVAC system now, as far as the treasury and the technology that’s coming down for that transfer/tracking systems, the best way to do it is to make sure the value’s in each one of you. That you’re able to actually transfer it yourself and that there have been automatic accounting that goes with it. A bookkeeping and that everyone can see that bookkeeping. So, all of that’s coming now. That’s the first system that’s going to be put in place. Right now, we’re getting the CVAC documents up and done this week, so that the systems can start rolling out hopefully as soon as the last CVAC is set up. There’s 193 of them left, then the system rolls out. 
Lisa: So, Heather, just to clarify. The system, it allows people to get access to their value and transfer that value between individuals and is being worked on as we speak.
Heather: It already exists. So it’s just a matter of getting that paperwork in and done. Those protocols and instructions are being prepared right now.  
Lisa: Yes. Correct me here, but the way I see it. People keep latching on to this $5 billion dollars or this $10 billion dollar amount that gets mentioned. The way I see it, it’s a system where everything is already prepaid. That’s what the old system owed us, that stole from us you could say. That’s been taken back and now it’s sitting there in an account, like a credit account, for us. So everything is essentially prepaid.
Heather: Yeah, basically everything’s prepaid and then you can use it to invest in co-creating future value, which actually becomes present value, if it keeps getting re-invested in the Now.
Lisa: Yep. So it’s not about going out there and earning or creating value that you can then use, it’s already there.
Heather: Yeah, the value’s already there. You’re just mixing it with the energy that you have now. They say there’s no past, there’s no future, it’s just present. Well, this is a very good example of how that works. We have this value, which was taken a while ago. You’re taking that and you’re mixing it with your energy now and you’re creating something that will actually keep producing exponentially and perpetually into the future. But you’ll keep changing it in the Now as you go, the more data that you get, the more experiences that you have.
Lisa: Guys, we’ve only got three more minutes left online. We can go a few minutes over. I don’t know when Blogtalk will cut us off. So, if you do get cut off, go back and listen to the archive for anything you’ve missed and for the dropouts, because they will all be there in the archives. Katie, I hope that answers your question? We’re going to move on and try to get one or two more squeezed in. Thank you for calling.
Katie (caller): Perfect. Thank you.
Lisa: Okay, we’ve got area code 703.
Caller: Yes. Hi, I’m Paige.
Lisa: Hi, Paige.
Paige (caller): Hi there. First of all, when you first started this show, I think it was Brian that was talking about the database that he’s building. He said he was coming up with something called “OPPT Taking Names”. I came up with an idea that a good name for it would be “Treason Tracker”. (chuckle)
Lisa: A treason tracker. (chuckle)
Paige (caller): Yeah.
Lisa: I’m sure Brian would like that actually.
Paige (caller): Yeah and that’s what it’s all about, right? The other thing that I wanted to say is that one wonderful thing about this, for those who are awake…a really lonely position to be in…the OPPT Facebook style page has been a wonderful resource. It’s been wonderful to connect with people so like-minded. That’s all I really wanted to say.
Lisa: You’re welcome and thank you. Okay, we’ll try and squeeze another one in. Area code 661?
Caller: Hello?
Lisa: Yes.
Caller: Hi, it’s Sharon calling. I’m from Canada.
Lisa: Hi Sharon from Canada.
Sharon (caller): Hi there. I just really wanted to thank you guys for bringing this information out. Having worked with people for a lot of years now, helping them see that there’s an enslavement program, one of the things that is really evident is that the whole enslavement program is a mental concept. To help people understand what this transition of transformation is they have to know where they are before they can see where they want to go. A lot of the questions are just absolutely amazing and so are your responses. There’s a real fear of people wanting to be solely responsible. Because that was part of the matrix of the fear, instilling it in us and that we should be dependent.
Filtered through the mental self, which really was the part of us being enslaved and understanding from the eternal heart. If we’re trying to do that through our minds, there’s going to be a disconnect. I just wanted to offer that being in the eternal heart is an experience. It’s an existence of who I BE. It’s not an easy transition to make there, but as Heather and all of you keep reiterating, it’s with the heart. It’s what resonates. What helps people who aren’t what we perceive to be fully awake yet or understanding it, is to ask them questions as Bob was saying a while ago. Just ask some questions about how they feel about (inaudible). Ask them questions about where they would like to go, because what we’ll often do is present our conclusions of our experience here as their resonance. That’s really not it. We know the natives did not really see the ships coming, because they’ve never seen a ship before.
This is a wonderful journey. I just wanted to thank all of you so much for bringing this to the forefront so everyone can experience it, talk about it and that in itself is supporting this transition exponentially. Thank you guys so much.
Lisa: Thank you, Sharon. Okay, we’re going to take one more. His name is Prince, I believe.  
Prince (caller): I’ve made it. Here I am.
Lisa: You made it. 
Prince (caller): I appreciate you for allowing me to get on. Let me be quick. I’m homeless. I live in a shelter. I want to set up my building as a beginning frameworks of a CVAC. I want to just break down the entire structure of my building with having DHS come in and tell us who is supposed to be here and why. Having us go and do all these work experience programs to pay for our food stamps and things like that. I want to be able to just start this system and get in touch with the people across the planet who are in on this and just start this flow of energy into this building where there’s people who have no luck in life at all, because there’s no hope for them. People in here are stuck on disability. People have just the worst problems. They’re just debilitated.
I want to move this forward as fast and as poignant as possible. I want it to be a strong change. I don’t want it to be a scared change. I feel like a lot of people are fearful about this. I want people to be empowered. Understand me? I’ve been living this way for way too long for it to come up now and people try to be afraid of it, because this is my passion. You understand me? This is my love for this life I live. I give freely, all day, every day. When I see somebody else giving, I say thank you for giving and thank you for BE’ing. I’ve done this for years. This whole wake-up has just been a long time coming for everyone.
Yes, I heard someone say earlier that the change and the 2012 and the shift, whatever, it happened in a way that no one ever saw it coming. Blindsided us at the side of our head. You know what I mean? So, everyone is here. Everyone is ready to move forward. I can hear us and see us all here. I just want to know how I can move this forward. How I can put my authority down and say this is it. Get out of our building and give us our life. 
Lisa: Thank you. 
(whistling)  (laughter) (clapping)
Chris: Beautiful.
Lisa: Well done.
Prince (caller): Thank you so much.
Chris: Yep, exactly the energy we need.
Prince (caller): I was cold a minute ago. Now I’m burning up. I can take this jacket off now. I’m sitting outside someone’s house. I know I’m probably being loud, but I’m ready for this. I want to get this meet-up started. I’ll go anywhere. Anyone who’s in New York City right now, I can meet up with you right now and talk about this. I’m ready. Understand me? If there’s another blogsite going or another radio station, let’s talk about this more. I’m ready.
Lisa: I have to tell you that D just gave me the message to tell you that she loves you. D from Removing the Shackles. You sound like her kind of guy. I think she wants to (inaudible). (laughter) Heather, do you want to talk to Prince?
Heather: Hello, Prince. You’re asking what can you do? You want to hook up with all these people. You just hooked up with a lot of people. (laughter) You just showed them what you BE and the energy is phenomenal. Your BE’ing is in the face. So, I would suspect at this point Prince needs to get his own (inaudible)
Prince (caller): Own what?
(talk over)
Chris: Prince, I think what she was going to say was to get your own paperwork done. So, please keep an eye out for the paperwork to actually become directly involved as public servants in the CVAC branches.
Prince (caller): I’ve been passing them out all day. I passed out like 20 copies today.
Chris: Beautiful.
Lisa: Not the Courtesy Notices, though, that’s not what he’s talking about.  
Chris: I’m saying there’s paperwork coming that will lead into the process which is called bonding into being a public servant inside a branch of CVAC. It’s an organized branch to do things for other people. It sounds like where you need to be.
Prince (caller): Yes sir.
Lisa: It is coming. For some reason, Heather dropped off right at that point, which is very unfortunate. I really want to thank you for calling in because your passion was palpable…is palpable.
Bob: Where are you located, Prince?
Prince (caller): I’m in New York City, on Forum Road on the Grand Concourse. If anybody’s available out there, if anybody can hear me, You can find me on the entire internet. My name is flofokuz. You can Google that and find me. Hit me up any way you can. Let’s talk about this. Let’s move forward. Everyone. Let’s go. 
Lisa: Why don’t you go to and getting a meet-up starting in your area? Or putting up some Notices in the local cafes and things like that? See if you can’t get a group together.
Prince (caller): I just want to get everything in order. I want to get all of this information streamlined, so that I can make like literally a curriculum over it and just start teaching people how to go out and enforce their desires, their manifestation of their energy across the world.
Lisa: Heather, you back?
Heather: Yeah, I’m back. Prince, you’re awesome.
Prince (caller): Thank you, thank you. That’s what I said when I listened to you yesterday. You are just a beyond-belief angel. I love you guys.
Lisa: You cut out right when you said “I think Angel needs to get a…” and that’s when you cut out. 
Heather: I think Prince is going to BE an energy that really is a trigger for a lot of others, so Prince thank you. Keep BE’ing. Keep DO’ing. There are tools that are out there. We’ll keep them transparent for all, but they know what resonates with them. So, just hook up with wherever you feel it resonates with you and meanwhile, more tools are on the way.
Prince (caller): I need to have authority. You see what I’m saying? I need to be able to have these people understand that they don’t have to listen to this old system anymore. I pull dollars out of my pockets and tell them, this is gone. This is an illusion now. We need to work under a new system. They’re like “Oh, what about this? This country that and this is Communism”. I’m like “Bro, stop. What do you want? Tell me. Write it down and let’s move forward.”  That’s the kind of authority I need. I want them to be able to look at it with plain words or some video. I’ve been visualizing these animations and things like that. Like the guy who did the CVAC visualization. I love that. That’s exactly how it should be. That’s exactly how the government should replace itself.
We need to be in charge of everything at the highest level. The way that I look at it is that it’s going to kind of be like I have a building. I have a CVAC, right? Anyone anywhere can come in and say “I need a room. I need this or that.”  Just like you guys were saying, go in, walk in, take it and go. I know that there’s fear of how to register and all this and that and how we can actually say this is our authority. Hold it in front of somebody’s face; something that they can touch and feel. Something that they can say “This is it. Okay. Oh! Oh, okay. Here we go.”
Bob: Prince? I would just change one word. Change authority to service. Okay?
Prince (caller): Ah, service. That’s not a word that people understand, though. I want them to understand that the change of the paradigm is from authority to service. Correct?
Bob: Correct.
Heather: Well, then BE that service.
Prince (caller): Okay. I don’t have any resources. I’m homeless. I’m under a system where I really have to be in certain place at a certain time, for whatever reason. They’re giving me food stamps on a card. That’s why I can’t be everywhere at once and I can’t do everything all at once. I want to be either out of the system or something. I need to be able to work.
Heather: The tools that you need are coming to you. Actually you have a great one; it’s your voice. It’s beautiful, your voice, with your energy (chuckle)…
Bob: I was just going to say (chuckle).
Heather: …standing here. I can’t remember what fear feels like pretty much anymore. If I ever did have it, then you’d be one of the guys that I’d want in the room to help me get rid of it.
Prince (caller): I’m sitting outside of someone’s house right now, in the dark, in the cold, with a laptop computer, a bag full of all of my equipment. I do music, photography, fashion, a bag full of like maybe $5000 worth of equipment. This is me being fearless, outside, in the cold. I’m homeless. I don’t have anywhere to go. You understand me? But I’m ready to move this forward. I’ve been working under the system trying to make money selling people their lives. I take a video or a recording of them and basically sell it back to them, painted a little bit. So, I’ve been working under the system and now I want to change. I want to get this going, baby. This is it. So, I need you guys to just send me all that information. I want to be on the top of this trickle-down of information. Put me in as a trustee or something. I want to be with you in that room as well when you’re doing these forefront battles. That’s where I want to be. 
Lisa: All the tools that come through go straight up on top of the website for everybody, as soon as Heather and the rest of the trustees make them available. 
Prince (caller): Right, of course, of course.
Lisa: That’s the best place to keep an eye on.
Prince (caller): Okay, got it.
Heather: Thank you, Prince.
Prince (caller): Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you guys, man. I’m going to go and find some place warm to relax and meditate. Thank you, guys. 
Heather: Thank you, Prince. All my love.
Bob: Thank you, Prince.
Chris: Take care.
Prince (caller): Love and peace to everyone. Hey, one more question, I’m sorry. The guy with the accent, are you the one that sings that song at the beginning of the movie (Prince sings) “tough days, rough nights, go home and hammered, dah duh dah””? I love that song. 
Lisa: I don’t think anybody on this show sings that song.  
Bob: Definitely not.  
Lisa: But thanks for asking. (laughter)
Prince (caller): But what is FUQ? What’s the FUQ; that’s the documentary that led me to OPPT.
Chris: Scott Bartle. 
Prince (caller): Okay, that’s not you then?
Chris: No, no. I’m told we sound alike, but that’s not me.
Prince (caller): You do. You have his voice. It’s amazing. It’s kind of like the synchronicity of the universe. I was brought aware of OPPT by emailing this man and saying I’m hyped over what he did. What are the implications of this? He said “This is a good place to start. OPPT.” and I said “Wow.”  I didn’t look back since. This was two days ago.
Lisa: Oh, well, okay. (chuckle) 
Heather: People are getting hyped everywhere. Love this guy. He’s the bomb. Love his energy. He can do the part. Wow. Thank you, Prince.
Prince (caller): Thank you, guys. All right, I’m out of here, next caller. Thank you.
Lisa: I think we’re going to leave on a high note with you, Prince. I’m not sure how long we’re gong to last here. Thank you everybody who’s called in. Thanks for everyone who’s listening and participating in the chat room. Thanks to everyone with their questions. Guys, it’s been an amazing journey and it continues to be an amazing journey. It’s constantly evolving and growing. All of your BE’ing and DO’ing is just adding to the momentum. It’s a beautiful thing. It really is. We feel so privileged to be connected to all of you and to be able to participate in this together is just such a gift. Heather’s right. We could have done it for ourselves, but it’s so much more fun with all of you. I’m having the ride of my life. This is what I’ve been waiting for. I know that’s how all of you feel, based on the messages I’m getting, yeah. (chuckle)
We’re at a point now, that’s like what’s next? For three month snow, it’s been “Oh my god! What’s next? What could possibly top this?” Yet something does. Wow! Join us again next week on Monday night for the U.S. and Tuesday afternoon in Australia for the OPPT-IN show and same time next week for The Collective Imagination show. We are hoping and as long as Heather’s time allows that the documentation that’s needed for these CVACs will be online at the OPPT-IN website. Also keep your eye on this new area of the website that’s developing, the Treason Trackers, or whatever it’s going to end up being called. If you want to participate in supporting any of the individuals that appear on that page, that’s the place to do it. The documents will be there. What else? What other little mentions are there? The new versions of the Courtesy Notices will also be online. There will be at least four, possibly five of them.
Chris: There’s also the audio where Scott and I go over a whole lot of queries will be there. There will probably be an additional audio talking about the new Courtesy Notices as well. 
Lisa: Okay, great. All right, I think that’s all the housekeeping. Heather, thank you so much for joining us again. I know it must be something like 4 o’clock in the morning for you.
Heather: Yeah, it was worth it, especially that last caller.
(talk over)
Chris: We’ll be up all night.
Lisa: Joie de vivre(? — inaudible) Thank you, Prince. Okay, talk to you all soon.
Heather: All right, have a good night.

(Everyone saying their goodbyes)

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Below are my notes for this show –

COURTESY NOTICE (about first 50 mins) – More clarification around how to use it properly individual to individual and one’s intent that needs to be for the greater good in using it. Sending an invoice, and when they have agreed (by responding creates a “contract”) but did not send any money (within contract). How one lady handled her bank debt that got results, without using a notice but right intent. About last week’s versions sent out, with new versions coming out today, including one you can print and fill out by hand. Can send to those still perpetuating the slavery system, as well as any harassment from police. Harm to one is harm to all. They are not entitled to do that under OPPT. And the last notice is for cases like Brockbrader whom is still unlawfully in jail.

CLEARING CONFUSION AROUND HEATHER’S (NEGATIVE) ACTIVITIES – (no, she was not the same name 25year old arrested for drunk driving, etc) Folks spinning tales who have not done their own research, or are just scared to directly ask for clarification, so making up negative mis-info.

STROUT’S TWO QUESTIONS – All responses are online (American Kabuki) by Heather. And why she did not use a lien (56mins).

CVACs – “Progress in rolling them out is being finalized both technically and funding-wise” . . . therefore, be ready and clear around what do you want to do with your assets that assists or supports your community or humanity in general you will need funding for? (we are each CVACs that collectively weaves together each our CVAC projects together globally, and or sharing their abundance into 3rd world countries, implementing social programs, Recovering Human-programming)

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (at about 81mins) – Your authority comes from you (under OPPT) and you are the enforcer. (clearly some folks cannot understand that the Creator, us, and created this trust and appointed the Trustees who removed all obstructions with complete liability, therefore, each Human is now the Beneficiary, and that the role of the Trustees is to assist each Beneficiary to claim their Assets Equally – Read UCCs – “One People’s Secured” and “Order of Reconciliation” to understand better – and that now each of us is in charge, no longer under anyone or anything – each of us are now fully liable for our lives).

“Energetic Accounting” is always going on, but how it’s enforced is not up to us (so no longer using the “Treason Tracker” idea on oppt-in site, but only letting them know they are being watched) . . . as they played their role perfectly and are now off-script and the old play is over. Importance of Forgiveness. “Love One Another no matter what has happened in the past” – Brian K. Help them get the proper information they don’t know about yet. Noticing how the big things in the news are dying down and rolling to a stop now.

“. . . while we are waiting for the whole house of cards to come tumbling down” – Brian K.

AFTER 2HRS RECORDING, ON PHONE ONLY – Since all our current funding structures available (banks) have the ability to be manipulated, there will be a new system free from any corruption, and fully transparent to all. And it will be impart digital and coin for interim.

We have a big transformation to do first, before all exchanges will be energetic.

(Note, all attempts made by Heather to get on the show were diverted, but hopefully she will get on tomorrow’s The Collective Imagination BlogTalkRadio show 8pm EST/3pm HST, as “she has lots to share”)

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